[NL200]AA line ok?
 

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $198.00
BB: $240.50
UTG: $524.71
MP: $395.50
CO: $221.70
BTN: $200.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $16.00

Flop: ($50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30.00</font>, CO calls $30.00

River: ($110) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $75.00</font>, CO calls $75.00

Pot Size: $260.00


villian is a 22/16

i tried to CR the flop

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I hate trying to check-raise this flop. You get so much action from AJ/QQ/KK regardless of how you play it, so you might aswell charge the draws.

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BET AND DO'T STOP UNTIL YOU ARE LEFT WITH NONE!

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More PF
Bet flop LDO!

Keep betting basically

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More PF
Bet flop LDO!

Keep betting basically

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how much PF?

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Not too much wrong with pf.

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26-28 but nitpicking that is inconsequential in terms of mistakes compared to not bettloing flop

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thank you for you help, in future i will bet the flop and raise to 26$ PF [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You should bet the flop most of the time but checkraising occasionally is fine. As usual I like larger bets on the turn and river.

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I like the occasional check-raise here too. People are always going to put you on crap/draw and call light.

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this is pretty bad imo

if your not gonna just bet the flop then huzzah you have deceived your hand so you can actually make a real bet on the turn.

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Well it looks like it all worked out ok in this case. Not a big fan of the size of the turn bet cos you really make it look like you have overcards and are trying to take it down cheap after he checks flop too. If you're happy to felt it if he raises your 30 bet then that's fine but if not I'd bet more so you can learn more if he raises on turn.

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If you're happy to felt it if he raises your 30 bet then that's fine

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Of course he's felting it if he gets raised, wtf.

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If you're happy to felt it if he raises your 30 bet then that's fine

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Of course he's felting it if he gets raised, wtf.

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You always felt 1 pair without thinking?

What i'm saying is, I probably would still felt if raised on the turn, but i'm never comfortable felting with 1 pair.

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jec,

It's a reraised pot, a safe board, we have AA and we've under represented our hand. Also a set would have bet the flop with about 90% frequency. Folding here isn't anything like on the agenda.

Now plz for the sake of your development as a player never use the phrase 'felting one pair' again because it's meaningless. One pair can be a monster and a straight can be garbage.

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If you're happy to felt it if he raises your 30 bet then that's fine

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Of course he's felting it if he gets raised, wtf.

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You always felt 1 pair without thinking?

What i'm saying is, I probably would still felt if raised on the turn, but i'm never comfortable felting with 1 pair.

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You are aware that this is a 3bet pot aren't you?

I'd only go for a CR on the flop if the villian is really aggro and loves to pick on weakness. Otherwise, just keep betting.

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jec,

It's a reraised pot, a safe board, we have AA and we've under represented our hand. Also a set would have bet the flop with about 90% frequency. Folding here isn't anything like on the agenda.

Now plz for the sake of your development as a player never use the phrase 'felting one pair' again because it's meaningless. One pair can be a monster and a straight can be garbage.

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Please don't patronise me with phrases like "for the sake of your development".

I understand that the board is "relatively" safe, but are you telling me there isn't a single hand in villain's range that beats us (99,JJ is possible, while unlikely). Fair enough if the OP was betting 3/5 of pot as a trap but I was just questioning if that was the case as he didn't explain whether this was his reasoning.

I also don't consider any 1 pair hand an instacall (which to me was what was being implied) regardless of situations where it is a monster (rarely - for anyone who bothers to think while playing).

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unless villan is severely short stacked u don take this flop line.
Check raising with the preflop lead i never a play i liked. And if u did lead the flop then by the river ( if u bet and he called) ud be able to shove all in and win alot more $$$. if i were u i would bet the river and beg for him to call me. Theres no way ur beat here and ur flop check makes it even more likely that hell call tutn/river with weak holdings.
Now that ur betting the turn, the true strnegth of ur hand is so well hidden that i think u should bet more on the turn and river. I would bet 40-45 on turn abd bet over 100 on river.

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jeccross -

Swallow your pride, and don't hate on good advice. Jamougha is correct and you are 100% wrong.

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I also don't consider any 1 pair hand an instacall (which to me was what was being implied) regardless of situations where it is a monster (rarely - for anyone who bothers to think while playing).

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This is ridiculous.

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As for the hand itself, everyone summed it up already.

Bet/bet/bet is standard. c/r flop against a real aggro/stealy opponent is okay sometimes. After flopped checked through I'd prefer a larger bet on the turn to set up a bigger river bet.

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jec,

It's a reraised pot, a safe board, we have AA and we've under represented our hand. Also a set would have bet the flop with about 90% frequency. Folding here isn't anything like on the agenda.

Now plz for the sake of your development as a player never use the phrase 'felting one pair' again because it's meaningless. One pair can be a monster and a straight can be garbage.

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Please don't patronise me with phrases like "for the sake of your development".

I understand that the board is "relatively" safe, but are you telling me there isn't a single hand in villain's range that beats us (99,JJ is possible, while unlikely). Fair enough if the OP was betting 3/5 of pot as a trap but I was just questioning if that was the case as he didn't explain whether this was his reasoning.

I also don't consider any 1 pair hand an instacall (which to me was what was being implied) regardless of situations where it is a monster (rarely - for anyone who bothers to think while playing).

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Hey before you start flaming, realize that Jam. is one of the most experienced/respected posters on this board. It's jack[censored] like you that push away some really great posters.

If you are here to get better open up your mind to the fact that you really probably don't know everything there is about the game.

Advice in the thread is goot....

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jeccross -

Swallow your pride, and don't hate on good advice. Jamougha is correct and you are 100% wrong.

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I also don't consider any 1 pair hand an instacall (which to me was what was being implied) regardless of situations where it is a monster (rarely - for anyone who bothers to think while playing).

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This is ridiculous.

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I'm sorry, can you tell me where I am wrong? I suggested a bigger bet on the turn which is what alot of people have already said (altho noone actually offered reasoning). Underbetting the turn to try and get a raise out of the turn is a braver play and obviously one you should try if you are comfortable with the villain raising. I didn't think this was the reason the OP made underbet so I was just questioning his motive for the 3/5 bet, isn't it good to get people to think throught their reasoning.

I did object to the patronising tone used by Jam however and the general attitude you get from some people that number of posts -&gt; more skill which is not always true. I also did not appreciate his original criticism as it contained no analysis of the reasoning behind the criticism which isn't very helpful to anyone.

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone, after all I was just trying to inspire a discussion.

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I'll occassionally (but rarely) check this flop, but if I do I'm betting enough on turn to push river.