Warning from an ex employee of Futurebet/ Digital Gaming Network
 

I am a ex employee of Futurebet systems. You might already know about the withdrawal horror stories which dates back as far as 1998.

I'm posting to let you know that Futurebet is still active and disguised as other companies and also to warn you that they probably won't process your cashout unless you threaten legal action.

Futurebet operates out of the same office it has been at for years, which is 1500 West Georgia Street, Vancouver, B.C. Canada. Their phone number is 604-909-3300. It operates under the name GDI software Services/ Steel Head Games/ New Wave Marketing, JP Gateway (in Japan) under the "Digital Gaming Network" which bought out Dobrosoft. Confusing huh? Yeah it's meant to be. They have paperwork to go around all the legalities and to make it appear it's a separate company.

The following are just a few of the sites run by Futurebet but they have a few hundred:

oddsmaker.com
vegas24.com
riopartycasino.com
sportsbookusa.com
g2gpoker.com (still supported by Futurebet but made the wise decision to migrate to a different network. Soon should be fully migrated with their new network.)

Futurebet has no finances to pay you. They license their casino & poker software to anyone who is willing but don't have money to cover costs such as withdrawal. Ron Katz has money though and he is the owner/ceo who is pocketing all the finances.

Futurebet is a scam and the management should be sent to jail for many years for their involvement. Unfortunately, I can't take them to court because I signed a contract which prevents me to.

Please be aware of these guys and be cautious when making playing for real money on a site you are unfamiliar with. It could be Futurebet in disguise.

Takecare poker community and good luck.

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If this is for real, thanks for coming forward (not that we didn't already know about this). It all sounds very believable to me.

I deposited $500 to spy casino about 10 months ago before I knew about futurebet's reputation. Didn't even win anything and they've been holding my money captive ever since.

Then more recently they pulled a nice little scam on the entire bonus whoring community with Empire casino where they sent reload offers to all their players, paid people for the first few days to spread good word of mouth and get more deposits, then they decided to stop paying. That was about 4 months ago I think.

I don't really expect to see any of that +$1200 back, sadly...

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Futurebet is a scam and the management should be sent to jail for many years for their involvement. Unfortunately, I can't take them to court because I signed a contract which prevents me to.

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IANAL, but surely there has to be a way around this...

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Many of us have known Futurebet owned DGN but they have always denied it. The OP is right, FB is a scam. Here is a list of most FB sites:

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n...urebetlist.php

There are more. If the site you're playing at has live support that goes to Playersupport.com it is a FB and stay away.

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This should be stickied

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It's intersting that a company based in a civilized country such as Canada can continue to operate and defraud players without attracting the attention of the law or the media.

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Many of us have known Futurebet owned DGN but they have always denied it. The OP is right, FB is a scam. Here is a list of most FB sites:

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n...urebetlist.php

There are more. If the site you're playing at has live support that goes to Playersupport.com it is a FB and stay away.

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fullcontactpoker is on this list and they are still using Negreanu's name and picture.

Any know the story behind this?

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Many of us have known Futurebet owned DGN but they have always denied it. The OP is right, FB is a scam. Here is a list of most FB sites:

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n...urebetlist.php

There are more. If the site you're playing at has live support that goes to Playersupport.com it is a FB and stay away.

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fullcontactpoker is on this list and they are still using Negreanu's name and picture.

Any know the story behind this?

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AFAIK, FCP migrated to stars. I think they there by an error

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fullcontactpoker is on this list and they are still using Negreanu's name and picture.

Any know the story behind this?

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FCP was a Futurebet skin when they were all part of OnGame. After OnGame left the US, FCP merged into PokerStars and obviously no longer has anything to do with Futurebet.

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fullcontactpoker is on this list and they are still using Negreanu's name and picture.

Any know the story behind this?

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FCP was a Futurebet skin when they were all part of OnGame. After OnGame left the US, FCP merged into PokerStars and obviously no longer has anything to do with Futurebet.

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FCP moved to DGN for a while. FCP banked itself and is the only Futurebet licensee that I know of that was/is not banked by Futurebet. This is why FCP never had problems paying players. As mentioned FCP no longer exists as a poker room. The list of sites on that page at CM is almost a year old.

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Tom-

I have a question regarding this. It seems none of the FB sites are on the DGN network anymore. The few you mentioned may be, but the hundreds that used to be no longer are.

Can you explain this? Where does iGaming fit into this? I have played some on one of the sites you listed without any cashout problems.

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Also if Tom ever comes back here, why did you quit and why are you outing FB now?

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Mustbe, somebody posted this on another forum that FB sites no longer connected. I downloaded 2 (Pokes Poker and Big Nuttzz) and both connect to DGN still. I think a bunch of them have just closed up shop including Bayou, Carnaval and Alamo. Bayou posted that they were not getting paid their cut and of course as we know their players were not getting paid either. I'm sure there are many franchisees and players out there that never saw a dime.

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One of the Futurebet sites double paid my withdrawal of ~$900 after holding it in pending state for over 2 months (and several emails to support). Guess if I informed about double payment to them - NO. FU and thanks for free money, HAHAHAHA! Never gonna touch any futurebet skins anymore.

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OP: how effective do you expect legal action to be? I always assumed it would not do much at all.
I have a pretty big chunk stuck on one of their sites. The player support number that they give is manned by people who have no clue whats going on who are unconnected with the rest of the organization apparently. Once I told the customer support rep that he worked for a "[censored] shady organization" that's basically scamming money, and he goes, "i know."
Thanks for making the OP, the ppl running this thing deserve jail time.

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Mustbe, somebody posted this on another forum that FB sites no longer connected. I downloaded 2 (Pokes Poker and Big Nuttzz) and both connect to DGN still. I think a bunch of them have just closed up shop including Bayou, Carnaval and Alamo. Bayou posted that they were not getting paid their cut and of course as we know their players were not getting paid either. I'm sure there are many franchisees and players out there that never saw a dime.

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So Pokes Poker is still in business then.

Has anyone received a cashout recently (in the last 6 months) or are they still just scamming everyone?

Marv

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Marv, Pokes owes out over $1,000,000 and AFAIK nobody has gotten anything in close to a year.

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I am curious to know more and I hope OP comes back. I only downloaded two: TheNutz and Vegas 24. TheNutz has 15 players and Vegas had maybe 150 so they seem to be on separate DGN networks. Maybe another DGN owner can chime in(yeah right huh).

I guess it is safe to assume to not keep much money on their if you play, but I would like to hear more. It was nice to see another US network.

I did notice TheGreek is DGN and they get an A+ from SBR as does BetJamaica A+ and then Sportsinteraction D+. Why would 2 of the highest rated sportsbooks join such a shady organization?

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Poker World has been a part of Dobrosoft for their entire existance. They were a standalone Dobro and when ACR and a bunch of skins went to Ongame the remaining Dobro skins all became the same network leaving Poker World as the anchor. Dobro sold to DGN and I guess Poker World felt comfortable staying, maybe they were bound by contract.

Where else would they go? Prima does not take 11 US states and none of the other major sites seem to be taking licensees. Any move would likely be to a network even smaller then where they are. Even if they moved to Cake's Network they would still be on the same network as a bunch of D graded sportsbooks. They pay on time so they must not be too affected by the Futurebet mess. If I was going to play on DGN Poker World would be the skin of choice for me. Long after FB finally dies The Greek will live on.

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Yeah it just seems odd that two big and reputable sportsbooks would join a network that could die because of FB. Hopefully this is the end of FB and the start of DGN. Options are definitely limited. 39 states seems better than no rake though . [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I guess we will never know the whole story about the DGN/FB connection and if they do in fact own them. Hopefully the OP comes back.

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One of the Futurebet sites double paid my withdrawal of ~$900 after holding it in pending state for over 2 months (and several emails to support). Guess if I informed about double payment to them - NO. FU and thanks for free money, HAHAHAHA! Never gonna touch any futurebet skins anymore.

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Funny story; when i first started playing on powerplayer poker abour 2 years ago every single time I cashed out they would double credit me. This went on for months. I probably got
3k+ for free.

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i was actually thinking about playing on this network until i found this forum string, can anyone recommend a good skin or should i just totally stay away?

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i was actually thinking about playing on this network until i found this forum string, can anyone recommend a good skin or should i just totally stay away?

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Poker World is owned by one of the most respected sportsbooks on the net and is on DGN, that is the safest skin to play on by far.

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I wanted to play at Poker World. However, I am a US citizen and resident. Since Poker World does not accept Epassporte, I could not find a convenient means to deposit to its site.

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Do any of the DGN skins use Futurebet any more? Even Pokes have severed ties with them, although good luck getting any money from them because FB owes them millions.

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Poker World is owned by one of the most respected sportsbooks on the net and is on DGN, that is the safest skin to play on by far.

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Who owns them?

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Poker World is owned by one of the most respected sportsbooks on the net and is on DGN, that is the safest skin to play on by far.

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Who owns them?

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Olympic Sportsbook aka Thegreek.com. The best way to deposit into PW is probably by a Western Union type transfer. They will likely reimburse fees on deposits $300+ as most books do. Send them an email and find out.

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I play at vegas24.com and I have never had any issues for the past 3 months. I never heard of the other sites, but vegas24 has treated me well as of today, if it changes in the future I will make a post here.

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I play at vegas24.com and I have never had any issues for the past 3 months. I never heard of the other sites, but vegas24 has treated me well as of today, if it changes in the future I will make a post here.

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Nice 1st post! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I only downloaded two: TheNutz and Vegas 24. TheNutz has 15 players and Vegas had maybe 150 so they seem to be on separate DGN networks.

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I verified yesterday that TheNutz was showing a small subset of DGN's tables. I emailed them about it but haven't heard back yet. Probably just a setting that someone screwed up and hasn't noticed yet, but it's odd.

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I found this in an old forum post. I am no expert on this stuff, but I am sure PA can confirm what it means.

The guy states this: "I just did a whois search on this igamingsystems and found out its e-marketbiz, which is Casino Resellers (one of the companies selling futurebet):

Whois Information

Delegation Check:

Nameservers for IGAMINGSYSTEMS.COM were found.

Whois Database Check:

Domain IGAMINGSYSTEMS.COM was found in the 'whois' database.

Whois Information:

Query: igamingsystems.com
Registry: whois.dotearth.com
Results:



Whois Server Version 0.93

Registrar WHOIS: Domain Registration Services
Domain Name: IGAMINGSYSTEMS.COM
Registrant:
RONNY KADARISHKO
1415 WEST GEORGIA ST
VANCOUVER, BC V6G 3C8
CA
Administrative Contact:
Katz, Ron ron@e-marketbiz.com
604 688-2310
Technical Contact:
Katz, Ron ron@e-marketbiz.com
604 688-2310

Record last updated on: 2003-01-06 13:48:11.0 ET
Record created on: 2002-12-26 13:31:53.0 ET
Record expires on: 2004-12-26 13:31:53.0 ET

NS1.DIGITAL-GAMING.COM 64.251.91.105
NS2.DIGITAL-GAMING.COM 64.251.91.@#$%&"

http://mb.startcasino.com/read.php?1,3672,3680,quote=1

Re: Warning from an ex employee of Futurebet/ Digital Gaming Network
 

man, I'm happy I ever got paid by newyorkpoker and alamopoker many moons ago

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Ron Katz is FB's CEO. The fact he is contact for igaming shows there is obviously a relationship. Igaming, DGN and FB are all the same by the evidence of this whois. Notice the DNS is DGN's too.

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Clearly OP was assassinated for leaking information.

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Clearly OP was assassinated for leaking information.

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At least it was for a good cause and he is a true 2+2 hero.

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I still have 12k stuck on Pokes Poker. Have an 8k and 4k cashout pending since late November last year. I just cancelled a 4k cashout and started messing around with Blackjack and Roulette for fun.......... That money is gone anyways right?

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Are you doing anything about it? I have money stuck there too. Anyone else with money on there, what are the chances of getting some legal action going?

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i have 24,3k there and im willing to give it all up (like i will ever see that money anyways) just to kill ron and maybe pee on his corpse

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I am thinking this is the same Ron Katz from Vancouver. He had several businesses raided by the RCMP a few years ago
and he is allegedly connected to a major motorcycle gang.

Did the players who burned when FB was on OnGame get paid ?
 

I recall a big to-do when FB was bounced by OnGame from their poker network.

Supposedly, FB was not paying cashouts. Did any burned players ever get paid ?