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Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 01:59 AM
Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
Because if it does
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/571/augustevqm4.png
I think I should have had a better August

Teh1337zor 09-01-2007 02:00 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
i have no idea what this means

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:00 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
Upon request, I will show a few hands from today.

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:01 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
i have no idea what this means

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me neither

Teh1337zor 09-01-2007 02:01 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
your showdown winnings=sklansky bucks so that means you are losing lots of hands that dont go to showdown? idkk

plz post hands btw

thac 09-01-2007 02:01 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
You ran normal for like all of august

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:04 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
You ran normal for like all of august

[/ QUOTE ]

idk how to read it

imabigdeal 09-01-2007 02:04 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
hands please

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:07 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($1920)
Button ($1940)
SB ($2105)
Hero ($4610.50)
UTG ($2061.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, Button calls $60.

Flop: ($170) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $140</font>, Button calls $140.

Turn: ($450) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $340</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $680</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4390.5 (All-In)</font>, Button calls $1040 (All-In).

River: ($6560.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>
.

Final Pot: $6560.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
Button has Kc Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Button wins $3890. Hero wins $2670.50. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($778)
BB ($1109.75)
UTG ($1638.25)
Button ($1169.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $60.

Flop: ($170) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $135</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $940</font>, Hero calls $563 (All-In).

Turn: ($1808) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($1808) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $1808

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
Button has Kc 6c (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins $1808. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($2196)
BB ($648)
UTG ($569)
MP ($2430)
CO ($357.50)
Button ($2434)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $60</font>, CO calls $60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $280</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $220, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $357.5</font>, Hero calls $77.50, MP calls $77.50.

Flop: ($1092.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $635</font>, MP folds.

Turn: ($1727.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($1727.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $1727.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).
CO has Jc Ts (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $1092.50. CO wins $635. </font>

JustARogue 09-01-2007 02:08 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
just hit turn on "box" to find out how good/bad u ran.

The fact that the red and blue lines are close means that u ran average though. The fact that the green line is way lower means u suck at hands that dont go to showdowns.

mrw8419 09-01-2007 02:09 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
It means you aren't winning many hands that don't go to showdown aka you play bad which you don't because you play better than me and I play bad


edited after seeing hands it can also mean you got cooolered nonstop

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:09 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($400)
Hero ($1953)
Button ($2024)
SB ($915)
BB ($2864)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, Button calls $60, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, Button calls $100.

Turn: ($350) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1325</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1864</font>, Hero calls $468 (All-In).

River: ($4007) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $4007

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah 5h (straight, five high).
Button has 2c 2h (full house, twos full of fours).
Outcome: Button wins $4007. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($2334)
Hero ($2273)
BB ($2073)
UTG ($3265)
MP ($1904)
CO ($2921.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $220</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $160.

Flop: ($460) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $350</font>, Button calls $350.

Turn: ($1160) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1703 (All-In)</font>, Button calls $1703.

River: ($4566) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $4566

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kc Ah (two pair, kings and nines).
Button has 4d 4h (full house, fours full of nines).
Outcome: Button wins $4566. </font>

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:10 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($477.60)
BB ($894.40)
Hero ($1266.50)
MP ($2665.50)
Button ($945)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $25, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $20, SB calls $20.

Flop: ($150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, SB folds, BB calls $80.

Turn: ($310) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($310) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $740</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $764.4</font>, Hero calls $24.40.

Final Pot: $1838.80

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 9s 9d (full house, nines full of fives).
Hero has 7c 7s (full house, sevens full of fives).
Outcome: BB wins $1838.80. </font>

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:11 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($2777.80)
Hero ($1811.30)
MP ($2023.75)
Button ($1458)
SB ($1005)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $135</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $310</font>, Hero calls $175.

Turn: ($690) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $210</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $620</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $665</font>, Hero calls $45.

River: ($2020) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $2020

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac 2c (flush, ace high).
SB has 5c 6c (straight flush, nine high).
Outcome: SB wins $2020. </font>

JustARogue 09-01-2007 02:12 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
f'ing a dude... posting a bunch of hands where u lost doesnt help with u not being able to read a graph.

imabigdeal 09-01-2007 02:15 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($2777.80)
Hero ($1811.30)
MP ($2023.75)
Button ($1458)
SB ($1005)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $135</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $310</font>, Hero calls $175.

Turn: ($690) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $210</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $620</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $665</font>, Hero calls $45.

River: ($2020) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $2020

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac 2c (flush, ace high).
SB has 5c 6c (straight flush, nine high).
Outcome: SB wins $2020. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

wowowowowowowowowowow

Ship Ship McGipp 09-01-2007 02:15 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
my thing just says 11k winnings and 16.8k equity adjusted, blah, i guess that's not that bad, i wish it would factor in coolers

Requin 09-01-2007 02:17 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($2777.80)
Hero ($1811.30)
MP ($2023.75)
Button ($1458)
SB ($1005)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $135</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $310</font>, Hero calls $175.

Turn: ($690) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $210</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $620</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $665</font>, Hero calls $45.

River: ($2020) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $2020

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac 2c (flush, ace high).
SB has 5c 6c (straight flush, nine high).
Outcome: SB wins $2020. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

wowowowowowowowowowow

[/ QUOTE ]Pffft not even a 1 outter

mdkrahn 09-01-2007 04:29 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
can someone link to the program?

ehafner 09-01-2007 05:01 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
can someone link to the program?

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.pokerevsoftware.com/

mj12 09-01-2007 05:10 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
I cant get this [censored] to work... tells me it has encountered a problem every time i try to open it

oxiej 09-01-2007 05:13 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
it basically means you are losing alot of money when you don't go to showdown, however when you do go to showdown you often have the best of it.

it also means you don't get suckout on that much cause you ran right as expected(or close).

nextgenneo 09-01-2007 05:59 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
the difference between the red and blue lines is how much you are running below / above expectation in SHOWDOWN POTS so all ins etc.

if all hands were showdowns then that blue line would be your total winnings but obviously there are hands without showdowns which you can't figure your ev for and it looks like you are spewing big time in those hands as you've lost like $40K w/o showdowns.

FoxwoodsFiend 09-01-2007 06:34 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
it looks like you are making a lot of hero folds in big pots in those hands as you've lost like $40K w/o showdowns.

[/ QUOTE ]

sarcastic FYP!

Fabian 09-01-2007 06:44 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
Cool, my graph is kinda weird/interesting. Considering how I play it doesn't surprise me too much I suppose, but I'm guessing this is a pretty atypical NL graph?

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4800/pokerevvj4.jpg

kotkis 09-01-2007 07:39 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
Cool, my graph is kinda weird/interesting. Considering how I play it doesn't surprise me too much I suppose, but I'm guessing this is a pretty atypical NL graph?

[/ QUOTE ]
http://nopairnodraw.com/wp-content/u...ats/july_g.png

blah_blah 09-01-2007 07:41 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
what are your stats, 30/30/infinity/infinity/infinity?

holy [censored]

nextgenneo 09-02-2007 03:41 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
the graphs with the green lines above the blue/red lines scare the [censored] out of me

Pillars 09-02-2007 06:02 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
Cool, my graph is kinda weird/interesting. Considering how I play it doesn't surprise me too much I suppose, but I'm guessing this is a pretty atypical NL graph?

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4800/pokerevvj4.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Fabian, would you care to expound on your style of play? I'm guessing this is the graph of a VERY aggressive player. You put players to lots of tough decisions, do lots of bluffing and semi-bluffing on later streets, and end up all-in behind a decent amount of the time. You're able to make up for the less than stellar all-in EV by taking down a lot of medium-sized pots, and generally out-maneuvering your opponents post-flop.

Something like that?

Rainclouds 09-02-2007 07:10 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]

Fabian, would you care to expound on your style of play? I'm guessing this is the graph of a VERY aggressive player. You put players to lots of tough decisions, do lots of bluffing and semi-bluffing on later streets, and end up all-in behind a decent amount of the time. You're able to make up for the less than stellar all-in EV by taking down a lot of medium-sized pots, and generally out-maneuvering your opponents post-flop.

Something like that?

[/ QUOTE ]
Nice horoscope!

Josh. 09-02-2007 07:23 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Cool, my graph is kinda weird/interesting. Considering how I play it doesn't surprise me too much I suppose, but I'm guessing this is a pretty atypical NL graph?

[/ QUOTE ]
http://nopairnodraw.com/wp-content/u...ats/july_g.png

[/ QUOTE ]



kotkis, i know you're brilliant and a sick player and all that, but i hate you so much right now

Louis Vuitton 09-02-2007 07:26 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
OP, u run ok/good. u just suck postflop

MatthijsH 09-02-2007 07:34 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
kotkis, just WOW

THAY3R 09-02-2007 07:51 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
kotkis, just WOW

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09-02-2007 08:00 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
kotkis, mine looks the same but my green line is upsidedown.

Christophers 09-02-2007 01:00 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
It looks like you kinda just suck ae.

Fabian 09-02-2007 01:23 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Fabian, would you care to expound on your style of play? I'm guessing this is the graph of a VERY aggressive player. You put players to lots of tough decisions, do lots of bluffing and semi-bluffing on later streets, and end up all-in behind a decent amount of the time. You're able to make up for the less than stellar all-in EV by taking down a lot of medium-sized pots, and generally out-maneuvering your opponents post-flop.

Something like that?

[/ QUOTE ]
Nice horoscope!

[/ QUOTE ]

Especially nice since it's pretty much true [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Except rather than being really aggressive, I'm just looser postflop I think. My AF numbers aren't through the roof or anything like that, but my WSD is very high for MSNL 6max. I think that's the main thing really, I don't mind playing semi-big or big pots with less than stellar hands when my opponents are likely to be bluffing, that kind of deal. Plus what you said.

Xylocain 09-02-2007 01:42 PM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]

http://nopairnodraw.com/wp-content/u...ats/july_g.png

[/ QUOTE ]

1. Run bad
2. Get the money all-in bad
3. ?????
4. exponential profit

[censored]

kaah 09-04-2007 03:51 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

http://nopairnodraw.com/wp-content/u...ats/july_g.png

[/ QUOTE ]

1. Run bad
2. Get the money all-in bad
3. ?????
4. exponential profit

[censored]

[/ QUOTE ]

kotis dont u have some filter on ore something lol

madness

unperson 09-04-2007 04:20 AM
Re: Yo does that Poker EV thing work???
 
[img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Can the people with the sick graphs please show us mortals their pokertracker stats?


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