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NY Daily News Friday morning has an admittedly small article on page 30 regarding the NYC club busts Tuesday night. It's not even interesting enough to link, so I'll pass out the info now seeing as how it's a matter of public record.

Fairview on West 27th and Straddle, on 3rd Ave went down in flames at 10pm Tuesday. Seven people, all dealers, were arrested at Fairview; Straddle info wasn't released. Bizarrely, witnesses said that Fairview management told players to line up and cash out just before the raid occured.

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It's not even interesting enough to link,

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Would be nice to post the link anyway.

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Fair enough.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_fi...r_parlor-5.html

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I love how its not illegal to play, only to host. So pathetic yet benefitial to all the freeloaders

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this is probably an inappropriate (and even more naive) question, so if this gets edited or deleted by a mod, i apologize in advance:

How in the world did Straddle stay open so long????

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this article is a perfect example why its bad to publicly discuss raids. Ready guys????


THERE WAS NO RAID. Seriously. No raid ever occurred. Raids result in arrests and confiscation of evidence, that didn't occur.

It was a visit by the police who asked the management to shut down for the evening, nobody was arrested. They were doing the card rooms a favor, the police try their best to look the other way until they are forced to take action. Some big-mouth who hasn't yet learned that nobody is allowed to discuss poker in NYC told the Daily News the rumor that he heard and now the police will have to back up their actions by shutting down the rooms for good and arresting the staff.

Poker players can be so dumb sometimes because they only think about themselves, never the needs of the community or the staff who could get hurt. This is a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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this is probably an inappropriate (and even more naive) question, so if this gets edited or deleted by a mod, i apologize in advance:

How in the world did Straddle stay open so long????

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Yes, this is inappropriate. If someone answers in the wrong way we might have to edit the responses, or even worse ban someone if it goes too far. Sorry. Its in our best interests not to discuss.

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this is probably an inappropriate (and even more naive) question, so if this gets edited or deleted by a mod, i apologize in advance:

How in the world did Straddle stay open so long????

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Yes, this is inappropriate. If someone answers in the wrong way we might have to edit the responses, or even worse ban someone if it goes too far. Sorry. Its in our best interests not to discuss.

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i should have just asked someone via PM, rather than posting it. you may delete if you deem it necessary. my bad.

happy birthday, though, TT! hope you run well tonight.

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I find your heavy handed overseeing of this topic a bit much. In all honesty next to nothing posted on this or any other board will ever have any relevance to law enforcement. The NYPD Vice Squad is not sitting here monitoring the B+M 2p2 forum on the off chance that someone decides to post some information which they had no alternate way of obtaining. Clubs are common knowledge and can easily be discovered through word of mouth, flyers, emails sent to the wrong people, etc etc etc. Most go down simply because it becomes clear that something is going on when 15 cars are parked in front of a business at 3am, and every other person coming out is a 19 year old kid with sunglasses and a shirt that says DEEEEEEEEEZ NUTS BABY!.

I'm sure you're already contemplating a reponse about what we've all heard already that Vice mentioned 2p2 during raids and what not. Allow me to save you the trouble. This might occur in 1 or 2 out of 100 cases. I'm sure it's POSSIBLE they could gain information off this or similar boards, but it's rarely if ever. I've been involved dealing, running the floor, sharing profits, and playing in 3 different clubs that got busted while I was involved or right after I became uninvolved. None was busted because of some covert LE operation that included monitoring internet boards. The bottom line is, these places will be taken down after awhile simply because they're against the law. Some last a bit longer than others, but, in the end, every one goes down. 2p2's bizarre method of "protecting" rooms that everyone in a 100 mile radius already knows about accomplishes little. If he wants to know why X room stayed open longer than Y room, it's a valid question. We actually should be considered ENTITLED to said information because it may be relevant to us as far as going to play there.

OT for a second, your above post confuses me a bit. Are you actually claiming that people DIDN'T get arrested Tuesday night? This would be pretty difficult for the Daily News, NY's only readable newspaper, to get wrong/make up.

Ban me if you wish.

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pretty lame of daily news to post the address of straddle if they couldnt confirm a bust. whats the [censored] point of pointing out the address?

asshats

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B/C that's the function of the media, to report. The Daily News shouldn't without addresses of poker clubs simply because the people playing in them feel they're morally not a crime.

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B/C that's the function of the media, to report. The Daily News shouldn't without addresses of poker clubs simply because the people playing in them feel they're morally not a crime.

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ugh.. because it actually is not a crime?

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"In all honesty next to nothing posted on this or any other board will ever have any relevance to law enforcement. "

That is 100% false. Seriously, how the F*ck would you know what DOJ does or doesn't do. What about Friends of Family, think they read the forums and drop a dime at every opportunity ?

But, hey .... go ahead and post your name and what your income was last year from poker. I am sure the IRS could not care less what is posted.... or what someone who reads it does with the information. Post your favorite underground places to play and let them know you did so. Good luck.

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I've been involved dealing, running the floor, sharing profits, and playing in 3 different clubs that got busted while I was involved or right after I became uninvolved.

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Send me a PM telling me who you are, what clubs you operated and who you worked for so I can verify. I speak either directly to the existing operators or through their mouthpieces, your opinion flies counter to what I hear all the time so if you really were involved in the biz we should talk. Your the only one sharing this point of view.


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We actually should be considered ENTITLED to said information because it may be relevant to us as far as going to play there.

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The only person entitled to disclosing information about a PRIVATE club is the club owners. They are responsible for the decisions that affect the safety of its members and employees.

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OT for a second, your above post confuses me a bit. Are you actually claiming that people DIDN'T get arrested Tuesday night? This would be pretty difficult for the Daily News, NY's only readable newspaper, to get wrong/make up.

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Correct. Nobody was arrested, I checked yesterday.

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Ban me if you wish.

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I think you have a warped sense of reality if you think you could get banned for expressing an opinion, that would never happen. Lots of other reasons why bans occur (and they are all rather rare) but it would never happen for expressing an opinion when the opinion itself doesn't hurt the members of 2+2 or break any other rules.

PS: We could change the rules to state that discussion of illegal underground games is not allowed because its illegal, but that would be way to heavy handed - I think we found the middle ground with our policy, discussion is permitted with the exception of core details that could affect the safety of the club's members , staff and owners.

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Regardless of how bizarre it is that you want to know where a random internet person worked, I'll give you the information if it makes you happy. For the record, one was busted, in which I was unfortunately fined and had legal headache .... one was basically told close, or else, and the third was in fairly decent legal shape until a during-the-game incident forced police to be called. All of this was in NJ. I've dealt in a couple of NY clubs, one of which was closed, one is still going a bit outside of the five boros for well over a year, knock on wood. With all due respect, we seem to be on different pages, as I don't think you're as involved as you let on. I'm quite certain you know a few places in the city and maybe Queens/Bklyn, not every spot in the tri state area.

As far as what information is doled out, every place I've ever been in as either a player or otherwise can't wait to over-advertise. I've done some of this advertising myself on forums such as this. Never becomes an issue. My principal spot went down in flames as a result of being far too prevalent in a small town, coupled with detectives noticing our venue while arresting teenagers in the area for vandalism.

If nobody was arrested, then the Daily News must be making things up, or printing information from sources without first doing things as simple as checking arrest info. I'm sure you're a knowledgeable guy, but for the time being would it be fair to say we should take the word of a major news publication over yours?

if you are willing to only ban people for disclosing what you consider private information, and allow posts like mine, that is fair, and I thank you for the opportunity to engage in an intelligent discussion.

As far as knowing or not knowing what police departments do, would it be fair to say that it's common sense that money is not spent on internet poker forums? Also, please explain to me how the IRS is going to investigate a sentence consisting of a name and number on an internet website. Honestly that might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Really reaching aren't you?

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i played in the two of them and loved it. heard about the raids and looked it up on the net and it give me a link 2 this page.it looks a good site. i played in a small club near G/Zero but it got busted last year wat do we do now for our fix. A/C is a cu@t of a drive

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I also played Straddle, albeit briefly, good place. I can understand the sentiment for these clubs, as most people can't continually go to AC/Foxwoods/TS etc, but there's not much you can do about. One would think rakefree home games would be more common, it would clearly be more profitable to have 6-7 people chip in for a table and supplies and then play with no legal concerns or house cut.

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UPDATE:

I just spoke to the horses mouth for the past hour, he gave me a minute by minute accounting of what happened. There was some misinformation floating around so first things first - I'll correct the errors.

There were seven people arrested at one club, and 9 at the other. I cannot comment on who was arrested for obvious reasons.

Everyone is out of jail except one person who is waiting for a meeting with his parole officer.

To the best of his knowledge everyone was given 3 days of community service at night court. This is different from past situations, for example there are some employees who are going through the court system now released on bail who are facing a 6 month or longer sentence. He does not understand why the punishment was light this time, it was probably the decision of the judge who wanted to be more lenient. Generally the punishment can be much harsher.

There were only two clubs involved. I was told about a third club - this was untrue. Its not surprising that after a raid a lot of misinformation is passed around, sometimes intentional.

All remaining money was confiscated, which happens during all raids. Thats all I can discuss about this matter, if you were in the raid speak to management for further details - if your a member then you should know one of the managers personally.

I'll update with more info as I get free time.

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Thank you for the updates, it is appreciated greatly. As it stands I will readily stipulate to the Daily News not being as accurate as I thought. No mention of the nine arrests at the 2nd venue.

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One big error in the article. The day of the week (Tuesday) it allegedly occurred. Nice "court documents."

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any more news on this?

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damn my ex-sugar daddy regularly plays there

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your hips lie.

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I totally agree.

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If you agree, and you live in NYC, then back up your belief by approaching the management of the private underground rooms, let them know that you would prefer open communication which affects their ability to conduct business. I'm sure you won't like the answer your given.

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man...this sucks!

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I heard this, thatx sux fo rme, those 2 places were the only room near me that had a 15/30 omaha/8

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Does anyone know whether these places are doing business again or are closed for the time being? TT, did the horse's mouth say what their plans were?

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Does anyone know whether these places are doing business again or are closed for the time being? TT, did the horse's mouth say what their plans were?

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We cannot discuss that, sorry. If you were a member you have to contact management directly as per their request.