When is Chasing justified
 

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3-Hours into a session, 2-3 $300 max buy-in, 9 handed. Table has three very good players at it (I am including myself), 3 ABC players, and 3 deadfish.

I have about $850 in front of me, and have been playing tight-aggressive and getting paid off. CO (about $400) is a very good player and we have been staying out of each others way.

UTG- I get pocke 88. raise to $18 and have four callers (3 fish and CO)
Flop comes 8d 4d 3d. I fire $40, 2-fish calls and CO min raises to $80. I know he has a flush, probably the nuts (which turn out right), but I continue to call, check call and folded on the river each bet was $40 by the CO (and called by the fishes)

I thought the implied odds would pay me off if I filled up, but now I am thinking that if the board paired I would lose the action to make this a good value. Thoughts?

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First Post- This is a live Game question so no converter.

3-Hours into a session, 2-3 $300 max buy-in, 9 handed. Table has three very good players at it (I am including myself), 3 ABC players, and 3 deadfish.

I have about $850 in front of me, and have been playing tight-aggressive and getting paid off. CO (about $400) is a very good player and we have been staying out of each others way.

UTG- I get pocke 88. raise to $18 and have four callers (3 fish and CO)
Flop comes 8d 4d 3d. I fire $40, 2-fish calls and CO min raises to $80. I know he has a flush, probably the nuts (which turn out right), but I continue to call, check call and folded on the river each bet was $40 by the CO (and called by the fishes)

I thought the implied odds would pay me off if I filled up, but now I am thinking that if the board paired I would lose the action to make this a good value. Thoughts?

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lol good stuff

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Why don't you tell us this without results. Put it street by street.

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First Post- This is a live Game question so no converter.

3-Hours into a session, 2-3 $300 max buy-in, 9 handed. Table has three very good players at it (I am including myself), 3 ABC players, and 3 deadfish.

I have about $850 in front of me, and have been playing tight-aggressive and getting paid off. CO (about $400) is a very good player and we have been staying out of each others way.

UTG- I get pocke 88. raise to $18 and have four callers (3 fish and CO)
Flop comes 8d 4d 3d. I fire $40, 2-fish calls and CO min raises to $80. I know he has a flush, probably the nuts (which turn out right), but I continue to call, check call and folded on the river each bet was $40 by the CO (and called by the fishes)

I thought the implied odds would pay me off if I filled up, but now I am thinking that if the board paired I would lose the action to make this a good value. Thoughts?

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lol good stuff

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i read this and was like "ill let somebody else deal with this".

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it seems strange, but when you play at a table that always payoff, I tend to play it diffently than if it was online.

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folded river for $40???

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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good thing you had studied the hand rankings.

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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good thing you had studied the hand rankings.

LOL....

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Threads like these (where OP swears he's good and disproves himself through, ironically, the hand in question) put me on severe tilt.

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I am not saying it was the strongest play, and once I was min raised on the flop by a good player, who has only seen me showdown the nuts, I knew I was behind.

The question has more to do with playing a hand when you have calling stations involved. I was getting increadible pot/implied odds. Heads up I probably fold most of the time, and online I play this much differently pre-flop.

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when i saw the title of this thread, i had cetain expectations, and i was certainly not let down

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and online I play this much differently pre-flop.

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what would you do preflop if it was online?

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thiere is so much wrog with this so I will just make a couple remarks:
1) CO is not very good player, his bet sizes are retarded
2) It worth chasing with when you have the right odds, period. So if against this mega great player, you have zero implied than just count up the pot and your outs (10 max on the river) although you must discount at least a couple since the "fish" have been calling with presumably a pair.

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Sammy,

I can only imagine you have lurked for some time before posting. So please don't put yourself in a situation where all people are going to do is tear you and your posts up if you want to learn.

Here is how it should have been posted:

Stakes......how many people.......where, goes here

relavant stacks, goes here......

Reads on opponents and your image, goes here....

Actual hand, goes here.....

Alerting everyone that you know what someone has in a 4 way pot with a minraise????......nope, probably shouldn't include.

Results???? Nope, Nowhere to be found.

*Once you get some legitemate responses you can then ask questions about the dynamics of the hand.

Good luck.

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After running the analysis I had between a 20-31% chance of winning and was getting close to 12-1 on implied odds. So I was getting the right "odds", but it felt like a bad play ever at and since I left the table.


The raise by CO was troublesome because it was not a "normal" play at all by him. The reason I was posting this question was more on how the dynamics of the table changed so dramatically by the other players and myself because of two absolutely terrible players. I probably should have posted it in the brick and mortar section since it is not a mechanical question.

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There's so many mistakes here, but had you not proclaimed yourself to be 'VERY good' I think you'd have received less scorn ;-)

Seriously though, let's start from the flop, what do you think your very small $40 bet into the incredible 5-way $100 pot is really going to achieve on a flush board? Next time try to decide on the flop if you really want to play this hand when you got a set, and there are 4 other players in the hand on a monotone flop. This is the exact sort of hand that you don't decide by calling bets to river.

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when i saw the title of this thread, i had cetain expectations, and i was certainly not let down

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winningfish
-thanks for the advice. The scorn doesn't really bother me, since I know I have done a very poor job explaining the table dynamics; and since I have played a lot of hands since then and there is a reason this particular one bother me, it can't be good. Also "very good player" is a relative term, I was in a shady card house in the middle of the ghetto and not at my normal casino or online site where my self evaluation is different. I also use it for the CO, because I have played with him, and the way the min raise bet should be looked at. (He had a purpose with it and it was not a careless donkey move). I also know where the biggest leak in my game (live) is right now, I get loose when I get up.

While I made a mistake preflop (it was more of a weather baloon at the time due to lack of action, that got out of control), I found my self in a strange situation postflop. I flopped top set with a board that had very bad texture. From past experiences I knew a probe bet of about half the pot (I messed up the original intro and must of added a caller), would tell me a lot of information. If the two bad players involved made a flush, they would have pushed like they have done before. (if I would have bet $50, they would not have chased anything). If CO had a draw he would have called, air he would have folded (past experience with him) - but a min raise told me that he thought he had the nuts and was just pot building. So now I find myself in a very bad situation because of my previous misteps- but this is were I have the question about implied pot odds. At the table I estimate I am between a 5-1/4-1 dog (seeing both cards), but I think I am getting incredible implied odds. (I believe that the CO will not bet more than $40 because he doesn't want to chase off the other players, don't know why this is there number but that is just the way the table was working). What I thinking about is that the implied odds go down if the board pairs because the CO will slow down on the river and it will be hard to extract the needed value from him. Again I keep going back and forth on this one particular hand.

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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good thing you had studied the hand rankings.

LOL....

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LOL.

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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good thing you had studied the hand rankings.

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One of the only times I've actually loled.

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1)I get loose when I get up.
2)I had huge implied odds;...if the board paired CO would slow way down and it would be difficult to extract money from him.


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Both statements are very contradictory #1 in a non poker sense.

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meh, i fold flop

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yes, river was a 4th diamond, and I knew I couldn't beat a flush.

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good thing you had studied the hand rankings.

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Funniest thing I've read on 2p2 in a while.

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after reading the OP rofl at how u call urself a really good player.

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i think he gets the point