1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

Never played against him before, hes been at table for 5 min or so. I'm not sure how often he'd turn a made hand like 2pr into a bluff here. I think turn check is pretty standard since I'm assuming he floats a lot, anyone c/r here?

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $220.85
UTG+1: $392
CO: $117.30
Button: $453.57
SB: $364.60
BB: $433.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $17</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($53, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $32</font>, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($117, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 is all-in $335</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $163.85</font>.
Uncalled bets: $171.15 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $444.7

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

I think I fire the turn like 95%.

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turn c/r maybe if hes floating?

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Meh I probably just bet/call the turn. I don't really know how he plays though so this could be really bad.

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turn c/r maybe if hes floating?

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this gets you too committed if he's not.

b/f turn.

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What was your read on the river?

What hands do you put him on that you beat?

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even many of the hands he could have been floating with on the flop have you beat now - all pp's 66+, hearts with a J or 6 (and any hearts with the T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] either has 2pr or strt now), flopped OESD, etc.
you have to think he has complete air here most of the time and i dont think he does, and i dont think he'd shove a hand like ATs on this river.

on a different board i would like this vs CS but i think you're toast here almost always.

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I hate your turn c/c and more your river c/c...

Ugly.

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He can really have any pair I think on the riv - weird thing is though any pair is generally 2pr which I dont think he turns into a bluff here but really depends on what level hes on.

On the turn he can basically have ATC i think, its just how often he decides to continue on the river w/ the ATC that are bluffs on the turn. Missed hearts, underpairs, single pairs, A high.

I don't like b/f turn, I figure hes going to be stabbing a lot and I want him to make that stab.

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turn c/r maybe if hes floating?

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this gets you too committed if he's not.

b/f turn.

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don't you think he would rr the flop with a set considering its so draw heavy, making his raise look like a semibluff and thus getting more value out of his set if you come back over the top of him?

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also i think lots of guys play way too tricky vs well known players like carrotsnake just becasue of their "reputation" even though playing straight forwrad would be more profitable most of the time

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i would bet/call turn, but i think this is a bluff a lot and would call the river.

course he should also be shoving even with the [censored] end of the straight and maybe more, but i like the call.

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He can really have any pair I think on the riv - weird thing is though any pair is generally 2pr which I dont think he turns into a bluff here but really depends on what level hes on.

On the turn he can basically have ATC i think, its just how often he decides to continue on the river w/ the ATC that are bluffs on the turn. Missed hearts, underpairs, single pairs, A high.

I don't like b/f turn, I figure hes going to be stabbing a lot and I want him to make that stab.

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Never played against him before, hes been at table for 5 min or so.

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Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

why would you ever call this river????

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How is 2 pair a bluff here

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Poker_is_hard,
His reputation makes me think that?

Some9,
Because its an awesome card for 2nd barrel?

carrot,
I can easily have a J or 6 even though I'm opening utg. Sets are pretty clearly out for me but after c/c turn its probably AT+ or hands that the river gave a straight to (pair+draw).

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I can easily have a J or 6 even though I'm opening utg. Sets are pretty clearly out for me but after c/c turn its probably AT+ or hands that the river gave a straight to (pair+draw).

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but why the hell would you ever check a J or 6 on the river? and how would you ever have a hand with a J or 6 the way the flop + turn action went - you would have to have exactly JJ AND check the river with the nuts. pretty long parlay for any villain to believe that

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How is 2 pair a bluff here

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qft

no offense to OP, but whoever said yesterday that there's not much of a difference between the best players at stars 200 and the regular players is way way off

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

are you kidding me. you realize hes value pushing all 2 pairs here. I think you defined your hand very clearly as in overpair. He would be pushing 2 pair for strictly value.

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bet turn.

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I don't want to give up control on the turn, i'd continue leading here.

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WTFRUDOIN'?!

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bet turn.

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why let CS catch back-door 2pair?

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

If I'm checking turn here it is to crai but I'd lead more often than not.I don't understand turn check call at all. Sure if he's floating you don't win anymore money but there are a bajillion turn cards that suck for you.

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

the games are not dying

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Feelings on 2pr as bluff I feel are true. Perhaps its more of an equity thing though as a smaller riv bet gets way more value which I think 2p2 villains should know if they think theyre against an overpair. Vs his shove I'm likely to call ~25% of the time or so vs 75-90% of the time of a bet of 75-90. I fell into that 25% call since this is the first time weve played and his reputation as super sneaky and it being a great double barrel card.

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More importantly I was stuck 20k at this point [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

lol I really don't see how you can still play 1/2 and take it seriously?

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Bad Beat Jackpot ^^

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hyachahahaha

i'm posting hands + my screenname

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

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Bad Beat Jackpot ^^

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Play limit then foo'

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also i think lots of guys play way too tricky vs well known players like carrotsnake just becasue of their "reputation" even though playing straight forwrad would be more profitable most of the time

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I don't do this often but serious QFT QFT QFT

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

Just c/rai the turn. To say he only calls with better hands is bad because:

a) you could be bluffing (and in fact your line looks bluffy)
b) he could be tilting
c) calling and then calling river shoves is -EV becuase your hand is face up as an overpair (lol @ you if you would play a 6 or J this way). Sure, he'll bluff shove some, but not with a percentage that makes calling correct for you.

Only hand you beat here basically is like Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and that's only with the (unlikely) assumption that he doesn't raise the flop with those hands.

So for you to be good here he's calling the flop with complete air, and then firing 2 big barrels with it. Because like, almost all the pairs he can have rivered 2 pairs or straights or sets, and trust me, he's VALUE BETTING all of them -- your hand is face up and he isn't "turning them into a bluff", lol.


If you really think his range for calling a turn CRAI is just 2pair+ than you should really be c/rAI a lot more turns, no? lol.

I take stack-a-donk vs. regs a lot because they're like "WTF? He'd never stack-a-donk ME with an overpair"

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Only hand you beat here basically is like Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and that's only with the (unlikely) assumption that he doesn't raise the flop with those hands.



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exactly. this is the most important thing to consider regarding the river decision

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

i value shove 2 pair here.

i think your river play is pretty bad

Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

Ok thanks for the feedback. I really didnt think hed be value shoving 2pr here as like I said earlier in equity terms hed stand to make more by betting under pot if he thinks I have an overpair. Anyway, MHIG on the call but I doubt I'd play it the same way again forcing myself into that guessing game.

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why are you shortstacked

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why are you shortstacked

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Blinds: $1/$2
Stack sizes:
Hero: $220.85


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Re: 1/2 Hand vs Carrotsnake OOP and bad board
 

no offense but this is the worst way you could have played this hand. stop leveling yourself with 1/2 metagame and 2p2 reputations and play poker.

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most thinly veiled brag thread ever