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dynacraze 08-29-2007 01:18 PM

Phil Laak on high stakes poker season 4
 
We all make generalizations of people and I just have to say I just cannot stand Phil Laak's personality. He may act all funny or whatnot but he never really plays any hands besides big hands. He loves to ramble on and act like everything is good but whenever he is in a big hand, hes as quiet as a mouse. When Antonio ask Phil to straddle first, Phil goes i will if everyone agrees but I will not go first because some of you will say oh i was just kidding. C-MON phil, nobody's going to do that. Once they agree, you can't even trust them? He talking so much BS about it because he is such a chicken because he's afraid he will get a bad deal when obviously if the whole table agrees, it will happen and he is scared of going first

Then the hand where he had a set of 7s and Todd Brunson did that hand motion thing, Phil immediately got mad and went into such a hissy fit. He turned a game with a good atmosphere into a serious one. If you guys would get a chance to play a cash game with pros, would you want someone like Phil Laak in there? For me, its a hell no. This guy is all fun and laughter and BS when he's not in a hand but when he gets to play a hand, he is just too serious.

By the way, did Todd Brunson actually called the 10,400? I saw the call but the way announcers were saying it, i am not sure if Todd called the 10,400 to Laak. Yes, i know what Todd Brunson did should not happen but do you guys see Phil Laak's reaction. Man, he's happy and go lucky the entire show but in this one hand, he gets serious and to his "usual self."

And what makes me can't stand him the most is his BS comments. Things he said on that show included "I wonder what it is like to win"... WTF, you always win because you play ABC poker and never make any unabomber moves. But when you do, you usually stop firing after the flop or the turn. I have never seen him fire 3 shells at a pot before. I am surprised Mikey never said Laak never have the "heart" to fire 3 bullets because Laak is the least likely person to do so. I think even Antonio hates the way he talks. When was the last time i ever seen Phil Laak play a big pot on high stakes poker? Never that's why. If he did play, it is obviously the nuts or close to it. Gape Kaplan even said todd brunson knows Phil Laak's game pretty well which is why he didn't raise on the turn with the pair of Queens and a flush draw.

Throughout that whole show, Phil is talking all day when they are dealing out the cards and every single hand he folded on the show... yes i know only the good hands were shown. But when i was watching that hand with Brunson, Laak and the other guy with AK... i saw Brunson limped, the guy with AK raised and when I saw Phil Laak getting his chips to call, i just KNEW he had 44-88 and of course the hole cam showed pocket 7s.

Phil Laak is just way too predictable in cash games and the worst part about it is that he talks like a LAG but plays like a nit.

Does anyone else the same about him? I recall Josh Arieh said something similar about Laak and why he doesn't even play like any crazy unabomber. He just plays straightforward Tag with an annoying personality.

BREWMANCHU 08-29-2007 01:21 PM

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Plus he deals drugs and puts hits on people in Thialand.

charliecozz 08-29-2007 01:29 PM

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Aren't he and Antonio high all the time?

He can't be all bad if Antonio likes him.

tame_deuces 08-29-2007 02:05 PM

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Cliff notes: OP doesn't like Phil Laak.

theplux 08-29-2007 02:16 PM

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Phil is funny.

CountChocula 08-29-2007 02:18 PM

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Laak is a clown and represents douchebaggery in poker. Unfortuantely it's paying off for him. I wouldn't trust Antonio and Laak playing on the same table...

The B 08-29-2007 02:49 PM

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Laak & Humberto are tied for "douchiest and most annoying antics" in poker award

Mr_Mxyztplk 08-29-2007 02:49 PM

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he acts like a typical trust fund kid.

phydaux 08-29-2007 03:05 PM

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Well, be's banging Jennifer Tilly, so he's got two things going for him.

Two big, soft, things....

BigSoonerFan 08-29-2007 03:30 PM

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Laak is a clown and represents douchebaggery in poker. Unfortuantely it's paying off for him. I wouldn't trust Antonio and Laak playing on the same table...

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I like him. I think he's quite humerous sometimes and I think he really is a big kid out there with his comments, just having fun. Saying all that, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, or Antonio, but I like watching Antonio as well. I'll take both of 'em over Michael Vick.

SmokeyRidesAgain 08-29-2007 04:27 PM

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Phil Laak would win against OP in hu4rollz no doubt.

Kimbell175113 08-29-2007 04:32 PM

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Then the hand where he had a set of 7s and Todd Brunson did that hand motion thing, Phil immediately got mad and went into such a hissy fit. He turned a game with a good atmosphere into a serious one.

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If you believe someone is angle shooting you for ten thousand dollars, the good atmosphere is already gone in your mind.

Scorcho 08-29-2007 04:42 PM

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[x] Would rather go drinking with Phil Laak than OP

antonio salorio 08-29-2007 05:03 PM

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Phil is a great guy if you know him.Some people like his tv humer and some don't but the fact is he is a stand up guy who i trust and would lend a million any day of the week.

pacino 08-29-2007 06:34 PM

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seems like a good guy

Taso 08-29-2007 06:46 PM

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I don't know why you are complaining about him going quiet when he plays a hand. That's what most everyone does. You kid and joke when you aren't playing, and then when you play, you're in the hand, in the zone. Not sure what you are bitching about here.

Also, Laak wanted to know for future reference what the deal was with that angle shot Brunson did. Of course you get serious here, whassamattawityou?

I love having Laak at the table, as Kaplan first said, he's a master of conversation. I love all the "quadrant" talk he has.

antonio salorio 08-29-2007 06:51 PM

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taso do i know you???

GSykes 08-29-2007 06:54 PM

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lol

Hipsdontlie69 08-29-2007 07:15 PM

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Phil is mad cuz he's not the one doing the cheating.

Johnny Slippy 08-29-2007 07:27 PM

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I read this same post on pocket fives, about ten minutes ago. Who else did you complain about Phil Laak to? Did you also call your mother? The police?

J/K ... sort of... He's one of my favorites to see at the table, and a personal hero. (Pro poker player + Jen Tilly...FFS) I have seen him get very serious at the table too, but it's serious money, and it's always more of a shock to see the "nice" guys get pissed than someone like the brat.

LGs0pHT 08-29-2007 07:54 PM

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Only thing I can remember is Phil Laak saying "You guys got all these special moves on how to play on the flop and stuff, I can't do that etc.etc." If you take it serious, you = lol.

ronitonline 08-29-2007 07:56 PM

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Didnt read any of it, Phil is hilarious, he is fun, he is cool, and he owns you.
Enough said.

Hipsdontlie69 08-29-2007 09:04 PM

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Phil is scumbag SOB

beanie 08-29-2007 09:19 PM

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I can't say I know Phil much better than any of you but I can tell you that he is really like that in real life. Let me give you an example.

Phil on Phone: Is this Paul Nobles aka Beanie, because this is Phil Laak aka the unabomber.

No ordinary human talks like that. I don't think the thing with Todd got overblown it just appeared that way on TV but I said to my wife right as Todd it, "did you see that" and we rewinded. I honestly don't know of a casino you can do that in. Either way I think editing was a big part of that deal.

Also there are 2 schools of thought, you could almost consider it 3 really. There is the Phil Hellmuth/Jeff Lisandro types (bitter complainers), the Antonio/Laak/Negreanu types (put on a show to guarantee TV time) and the Howard Lederer types. If you like the last type you likely don't like the first two. But if you want to have a good time at a poker table the guys in the middle are solid gold and you will enjoy every second and when you are there you wouldn't find it obnoxious. That is part of what makes them all so good.

Mandrik 08-29-2007 09:24 PM

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Phil seems like a good enough guy. He's entertaining at a table, which just makes the show more enjoyable to watch. He gets in with the best of it, and walks away with more $ than he started with. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Arnold_O 08-29-2007 09:59 PM

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We all make generalizations of people and I just have to say I just cannot stand Phil Laak's personality. He may act all funny or whatnot but he never really plays any hands besides big hands. He loves to ramble on and act like everything is good but whenever he is in a big hand, hes as quiet as a mouse. When Antonio ask Phil to straddle first, Phil goes i will if everyone agrees but I will not go first because some of you will say oh i was just kidding. C-MON phil, nobody's going to do that. Once they agree, you can't even trust them? He talking so much BS about it because he is such a chicken because he's afraid he will get a bad deal when obviously if the whole table agrees, it will happen and he is scared of going first


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you're an idiot if you call a guy who plays $300/600 NL a chicken.

laak doesn't seem to have a mean or spiteful bone in his body. how can you hate on a guy like that?

...and he wasn't mad at brunson. he just wanted a ruling. when you're playing for potentially 100's of thousands you want it clearly defined (brunson's fake call)

Taso 08-29-2007 11:14 PM

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taso do i know you???

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?

bitbytebit 08-29-2007 11:28 PM

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I wish I could find the ep of PAD with laak and antonio and hellmuth. Funniest thing ever said and also some insight into how sharp he really is.

Everyone is joking, talking over each other etc..

There are several conversations going on, but one of them is about a bet with provisions (odds/stipulations/etc)

Suddenly Laak bursts out in total seriousness with some rapid fire staccato comments about the bet.

lol and then Phil hellmuth wants in on it too.

I know this comment is mostly worthless its so vague, but hopefully someone knows what im talking about.

antonio salorio 08-30-2007 12:34 AM

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what is the ? for

do i know you??????

phiphika1453 08-30-2007 01:24 AM

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It might just be me, but I get a vibe from Laak that he cant be trusted at all.

Maybe its the angle shooting stories that skew my thoughts of him, but he is just one of those I would NEVER trust.

van_exel_fan 08-30-2007 01:56 AM

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So I guess OP just wants Laak off the show...

But there are players people like and dislike. Some people must really like Laak. Also, I hope more professional gamblers get exposed for shady pasts so that kids will not idolize professional gamblers...HELP

pig4bill 08-30-2007 03:11 AM

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Also there are 2 schools of thought, you could almost consider it 3 really. There is the Phil Hellmuth/Jeff Lisandro types (bitter complainers), the Antonio/Laak/Negreanu types (put on a show to guarantee TV time) and the Howard Lederer types.

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I doubt Laak does that stuff to put on a show to guarantee tv time because he's that way when there are no cameras around too.

remski 08-30-2007 03:36 AM

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I think Laak's behaviour is the result of a significant predisposition to the personality trait labeled 'eccentricity'.

diggla 08-30-2007 07:39 AM

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phil is a cool kid, nuff said

Lessu 08-30-2007 08:07 AM

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where is the poll

Spurious 08-30-2007 08:35 AM

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Maybe his playing style comes from the background as a stockstrader (or whatever he did at the wallstreet).
He can't be too nitty if he bets 1000$ with Antonio on what time it is, etc. He plays Rock, Paper, Scissors for 2000$ - what a nit...

It is just his style to play conservative, and yes he played a big pot with DN on season 2, i cant remember exactly but it was more than 100k I think, he won it though.
By the way he announced the 72 game on HSP4. I dont know why he doesnt straddle, but i think he knows that straddling doesnt help him, so why do it?

I like him, he's funny. He and Esfandiari are a great combo, they have fun at the table, although i like AE style of playing more.

Gene Fish 08-30-2007 09:23 AM

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Hey Antonio...what kind of watch is that that you were wearing...that looked unbelievable! I enjoyed watching you play on TV...look forward to seeing more. Hope you kick ass next time!

Your new fan,
- Gene

antonio salorio 08-30-2007 09:39 AM

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thank you,the watch i was wearing is a breitling,bently with a 10 carat bezzle

Taso 08-30-2007 10:30 AM

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what is the ? for

do i know you??????

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No. Well, you might, but my name is Taso in real life, so you'd know if you know me. Anyways, if you DO know me, and feel tempted to ship me some of your bankroll... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

antonio salorio 08-30-2007 10:40 AM

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I thought you were someone else. Sure no problem type your account # and routeing # and it's on the way.


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