KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

6 handed .10/.25 cash game. I was delt KJ...now I usually wont raise with this hand but considering we were playing short handed, I reasoned that the value of that particular hand increases in this type of circumstance. With that logic in mind I made a small preflop raise from .25 to .55 (nothing outrageously crazy). Everyone Folds to the Button/Villian who calls. Flop comes out 4s Th 6h

I put Villian on at least 1 overcard & figured that my hand was still strong so I made a pot sized continuation bet. The Button IMMEDIATELY RERAISED my potsized bet to double the amount. This struck me as very strange & my initial read was that it was a bluff. I decided to call & tread carefully thereafter.

Here is the hand pre & post flop.

FullTilt Hand History
Seat 1: shaim1312 ($21.85)
Seat 2: HardGrind ($11.30)
Seat 3: Are You Out ($27.90)
Seat 4: MisterBags ($13.75)
Seat 5: n0bLiNx ($16.75)
Seat 6: Cardracer ($7.80)
MisterBags posts the small blind of $0.10
n0bLiNx posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HardGrind Ks Jh
Cardracer folds
shaim1312 calls $0.25
HardGrind raises to $0.55
Are You Out folds
MisterBags folds
n0bLiNx folds
shaim1312 calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** 4s Th 6H

shaim1312 checks
HardGrind bets $1.45
shaim1312 raises to $3.60
HardGrind has 15 seconds left to act
HardGrind calls $2.15


I will post the rest of play in its entirety after everyones thoughtfull insight on the dynamics of this hand.

Thanks for the read & replies.


Sidenote-Can someone recommend a good hand history converter. I've tried FTR but sometimes it wont read my tourney hands, samething for Lego. Thanks.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

use a hand converter and I will share my thoughts

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

first off why are u shortstacked , secondly min raise PF is meh , raise it up atleast 3x initial raise , KJ is still marginal six handed , fold flop ....

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $13.75
BB: $16.75
UTG: $7.80
MP: $21.85
Hero (CO): $11.30
BTN: $27.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.45</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.60</font>, Hero calls $2.15
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to MP


Hows this MOP....?

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Jzo....the reason I was short stacked is because of the method in which I like to Multitable.....I have found that if I buy in for the MIN amount &amp; wait for Premuim hands( I know KJ is not premo but short handed I like it) It forces me to play disciplined poker &amp; put my money in the right spots based upon my feel for the table. In addition it allows me to stretch my BR a lil further &amp; play up to 4 tables at a time.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Fold preflop.

As played I'd save the 2$ and fold to the check raise as you pretty much beat nothing.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

You're only inviting disaster with your weak preflop raise. You want to get HU with this hand postflop as its not going to play very well in a multiway pot. At least you did get HU though.

When villains minraise you, you are almost never good. You may read it as weakness, but donkies think its the best way to get more money out of you when they have a hand. If the guy has at least TP he's unlikely to lay it down to further aggression by you on later streets. All you have are 6 outs to an overpair, which could easily get you in trouble. Villains at this level enjoy playing J10, K10. Hell even J6s, K6s, so if he has bottom pair, hitting top pair can get you in trouble still.

Just fold to the flop reraise. You're only spewing money by calling his reraise.

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It forces me to play disciplined poker

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And why did you minraise with KJ then
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Regarding your question: maybe the reraise actually is a sign of weakness.

Beat: you don't have a hand. Just fold.

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Jzo....the reason I was short stacked is because of the method in which I like to Multitable.....I have found that if I buy in for the MIN amount &amp; wait for Premuim hands( I know KJ is not premo but short handed I like it) It forces me to play disciplined poker &amp; put my money in the right spots based upon my feel for the table. In addition it allows me to stretch my BR a lil further &amp; play up to 4 tables at a time.

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i guess thats fine u should read PNL and the power of SPR for TP hands ...(dont ask yme about SPR its a lil complex to explain , just search it and you'll find plenty of count)

the only thing i dont like about 50bb stacks its that ur cutting down your implied odds for big money makeing hands , pocket pairs ..if u asked me what hand would i rather have 22 or AQ ..its 22 almost all the time ...(thats with 100bb stax ofcourse)

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It forces me to play disciplined poker

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And why did you minraise with KJ then
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Regarding your question: maybe the reraise actually is a sign of weakness.

Beat: you don't have a hand. Just fold.

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Your right....I know it APPEARS that I am playing Super Loose right there. However, all my decisions are based upon the play of the table. And believe me when I say that the table was a "Fish Tank"....Now Im no shark, wouldnt even classify myself as a barracuda as of yet, but I can spot weakness &amp; my instinct was to exploit it.


Im about to catch a home game at my buddies house. When I get back I will post the rest of the hand for analysis.

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It forces me to play disciplined poker

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And why did you minraise with KJ then
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Regarding your question: maybe the reraise actually is a sign of weakness.

Beat: you don't have a hand. Just fold.

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Your right....I know it APPEARS that I am playing Super Loose right there. However, all my decisions are based upon the play of the table. And believe me when I say that the table was a "Fish Tank"....Now Im no shark, wouldnt even classify myself as a barracuda as of yet, but I can spot weakness &amp; my instinct was to exploit it.

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Uhmmm...MP is simply exploiting the "weakness" you showed preflop.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

OK....I see everyones point regarding my sh!tty little preflop raise...&amp; I did consider making the normal 3-5BB preflop raise BUT I just so happen to be running on a streak were I opened the last 6 out 9 pots with a 3xBB raise. I noticed that everyone was pretty much folding to my preflop raises after awhile so I thought making the initial preflop raise a little less, I would see some decent action and get some callers.


Here is the hand in its entirety


Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $13.75
BB: $16.75
UTG: $7.80
MP: $21.85
Hero (CO): $11.30
BTN: $27.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.45</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.60</font>, Hero calls $2.15
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to MP

Turn: ($8.65) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $8.65</font>, Hero calls all-in for $7.15
Uncalled bet of $1.50 returned to MP

River: ($22.95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $22.95 ($1.10 Rake)

MP had 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$11.30)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Jacks) and WON (+$10.55)

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Any thoughts on how this hand progressed???

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Well obv you post this because you're proud of your read :P I suppose you must think that villain is getting frisky with a weak hand with his quick re-raise in frustration that you're running over the table? That makes sense I suppose. Though, when you floated that flop what is your action if you don't improve on the turn? Shut down and lose a large portion of your stack? Sure he can be weak, but if he shoves, are you gonna call him down with K-high? If you're trying to play solid poker by short-stacking and playing tight and optimal strategy, don't often make plays like this. Remember the mantra; just pitch it and wait for a better spot.

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Yea, everyone was right. Raise more pre to get hands like Q6 to fold. When you c bet(good in that spot) and get minraised, you are most likely beat with at most 6 outs.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

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Well obv you post this because you're proud of your read :P I suppose you must think that villain is getting frisky with a weak hand with his quick re-raise in frustration that you're running over the table? That makes sense I suppose. Though, when you floated that flop what is your action if you don't improve on the turn? Shut down and lose a large portion of your stack? Sure he can be weak, but if he shoves, are you gonna call him down with K-high? If you're trying to play solid poker by short-stacking and playing tight and optimal strategy, don't often make plays like this. Remember the mantra; just pitch it and wait for a better spot.

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Yes. If I didnt improve on the turn I was going to "exit stage right". Normally, I dont like to play this loose but I felt that the villian was trying to make a move on me so I reasoned that a countermove was in order.


Thanks for the reply.

Re: KJ reads Q6 immediate reraise as weak....plz share ur thoughts
 

Not to rain on the parade here, but you played the hand poorly and got lucky. If you get in the habit of calling raises of your c-bet with nothing, you're going to be sad.

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This struck me as very strange &amp; my initial read was that it was a bluff. I decided to call &amp; tread carefully thereafter.


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Maybe villain is bluffing but you can´t beat a bluff yourself. Unless you plan on showing down K high. Calling off 20% of your stack hoping for a 6 outer is gross.

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He really wasn't making a move considering his hand was better than yours on the flop. I think calling his flop raise is just spewing money. If you strongly suspected that he was bluffing, why didn't you re-raise or push on the flop? If you just call, obviously you can't get him to fold.

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He really wasn't making a move considering his hand was better than yours on the flop. I think calling his flop raise is just spewing money. If you strongly suspected that he was bluffing, why didn't you re-raise or push on the flop? If you just call, obviously you can't get him to fold.

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Agreed... maybe he WAS making a move, but even if he was, what can you beat? Q high? You can't call his raise when you can't even beat a typical bluff (e.g. A high) or semi-bluff.