One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

This was one of those hands that was just perplexing all the way through. I think I botched it. I think it's a good play-along hand.

UTG is greg1osu, an OK nitty regular, I have him at 14/10. Button is clearly a donk, but that's all I know.

Start with preflop, which poses one of those really annoying spots:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero ?????

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

fold

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

call

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

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fold

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maybe this is best, but I just love to tangle with folks that play like the button.

plus folding wouldn't make a very interesting play-along!

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

from what ive heard of this greg dude you are basically behind his utg open range and not closing the action. he will likely raise it up here to get HU with the donkey and take your dead money and even when you flop an A or Q you arent going to be happy.


but yea whatever play-along, whats the flop

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OK so perhaps folding was best, but I called:


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $204.00
BB: $55.25
UTG: $327.00
CO: $146.40
BTN: $123.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero ????

Plan for the flop?

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

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fold

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Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

fold pf check flop

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

i would never in a million years consider calling pf

def check flop now that you're here

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Donk it

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OK I checked the flop, to be met with this lovely action:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00, UTG calls $4.00

Turn: ($56) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)

Maybe I should c/r the flop when I see that ridiculous $4 but I figure there's no real point -- I'm wa/wb with both btn and utg, and am not going to get called by worse. So I just called. what now?

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Deleted.

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

donking flop is also okay imo. just puts you in an awkward spot if you are raised.

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

This guy probably had AK or maybe the same hand as you...AQ..if he had aces and make a set he would not have to bet at flop right ahead. There's no straight draw, no flush draw, he tried to get you out of the pot with as soon as possible.

however as you were only guessing so am i..but thats the only two hands consistent with preflop play, ok maybe even KK and AA.

i would just check call him to the end.

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

Check out the AQ hand I posted this AM,,,you should have folded pre-flop....i know i wish i had.

Re: One of those WTF hands, play along with me
 

wtffffffffffff preflop, such spew vs greg and some random minraiser.

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wtffffffffffff preflop, such spew vs greg and some random minraiser.

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yes yes yes yes yes.

you guys are right.

frankly what happened was I randomly called on impulse after drooling about btn, and didn't see it was greg until after I called (12-tabling ftw!).

But anyway you wind up in much more difficult spots postflop when you do something stupid preflop. Maybe it's useless to post stuff where you've botched earlier streets, but w/e I think it's interesting as god knows I botch earlier streets often enough.

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OK so I will just post the rest:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00, UTG calls $4.00

Turn: ($56) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $40.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $40.00

River: ($136) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $78.00</font>, Hero ????

Totally lost on turn and river...should I have led either? what?

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calling for the chop here arent we?

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calling for the chop here arent we?

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or calling to lose an extra $78?

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I think we see AJ, JJ or AQ. AJ is probably borderline for him preflop. us having AQ makes me discount that as a holding for villain, JJ looks like a winner. I don't see anything we beat playing this way.

I Fold. Then again if I'm also assuming I'm 12 tabling I likely call. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This was one of those hands that was just perplexing all the way through. I think I botched it. I think it's a good play-along hand.

UTG is greg1osu, an OK nitty regular, I have him at 14/10. Button is clearly a donk, but that's all I know.

Start with preflop, which poses one of those really annoying spots:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero ?????

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easy fold

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OK so perhaps folding was best, but I called:


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $204.00
BB: $55.25
UTG: $327.00
CO: $146.40
BTN: $123.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero ????

Plan for the flop?

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i would definitely lead out here, reasonable size. $30 or so. if UTG folds, i plan to get it in with the idiot. if UTG shows any agression i insta fold. if UTG calls and donk calls, i probably don't put any more money into the pot

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OK I checked the flop, to be met with this lovely action:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00, UTG calls $4.00

Turn: ($56) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)

Maybe I should c/r the flop when I see that ridiculous $4 but I figure there's no real point -- I'm wa/wb with both btn and utg, and am not going to get called by worse. So I just called. what now?

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ok, as played, raise it up to try and force out UTG, or at least force him to reveal the strength of his hand

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OK so I will just post the rest:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<font color="blue">Hero (SB): $204.00</font>
BB: $55.25
<font color="blue">UTG: $327.00</font>
CO: $146.40
<font color="blue">BTN: $123.40</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $13.00, BB folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($44) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00, UTG calls $4.00

Turn: ($56) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $40.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $40.00

River: ($136) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $78.00</font>, Hero ????

Totally lost on turn and river...should I have led either? what?

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fold the turn, what is he betting here that you beat. fold river, he would probably check behind with AK (i don't know this player, nitty preflop and postflop? does he go nuts with TPTK), and AK is the only hand you beat. i reckon he has AA or TT