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whangarei 08-27-2007 06:52 AM

NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
Is this just spewage? Appreciate alternate suggestions on playing this hand post-flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop

<font color="#C00000">SB ($116)</font>
BB ($30)
UTG ($116)
MP ($153.50)
CO ($142)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($118)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $17</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $114</font>

shpanko 08-27-2007 06:54 AM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
Just call the c/r, if you get called you're only drawing to your flush.

Bulletproof Monk 08-27-2007 06:55 AM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
$47

traz 08-27-2007 10:36 AM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
meh, I probably just call. I don't love it though, I hate these spots. Alot of people just shove, but then we end up playing against AK or worse.

PartysOver 08-27-2007 10:39 AM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
don't turn your showdownable hand into a bluff by 3b here.

there's a good thread/discussion on TP+FD, it's definetly not he same as MP+FD, you actually want to see a showdown with it. flat call the $17 here

BombayBadboy 08-27-2007 10:57 AM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
I like it alot better if you had middle pair on the flop.

Just call his flopraise here.

sixhigh 08-27-2007 12:02 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
I'd like this very much more if you didn't have position. But since you have, just give villain a chance to come along with worse hands.

jc1418 08-27-2007 12:13 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
just call he doesn't have to be that strong to check raise you here but sometimes you will be drawing to ur flush

Unknown Soldier 08-27-2007 12:33 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
if he folded you had the best hand

dersl 08-27-2007 12:58 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
Stats on Villain would help, but here's a pretty tight range:

Hand 0: 44.433% 44.10% 00.33% 7422 56.00 { Ac9c }
Hand 1: 55.567% 55.23% 00.33% 9296 56.00 { 22, AQs+, KcTc, Q2s, AKo }

You got about 45% equity + a lot of FE in BvB probably. If a blank hits on the turn and villain makes a pot-sized bet, you're definately in truble b/c your equity goes down to about 30% and a call on the turn would commit you anyway...
I'd shove

skibbel 08-27-2007 01:05 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
If we call, turn is blank, i guess we have to fold to a PS Bet hm?

dersl 08-27-2007 01:09 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
...thats why I would stick it in when my equity and fe is best

Unknown Soldier 08-27-2007 01:17 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
the thing is dersl we only have FE against worse hands

djj6835 08-27-2007 01:17 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
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...thats why I would stick it in when my equity and fe is best

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You have the ace.

r1tony 08-27-2007 01:32 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
Smooth call the raise.. best case scenario he is on a flush draw too. Bad for him if he makes it..but if he has an Ace your probably behind.

whangarei 08-27-2007 10:09 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
Results, villain flopped bottom set FTW.

sh58 08-27-2007 10:20 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
you can just call here. you have position, and really good equity.

i don't think shoving is bad, but if called you will need to catch the flush, which isn't that bad, you will still have 33%+ equity + FE.

note: if you flopped the NFD + pair of 9's then shoving is much better because if behind you have more outs to improve, usually 14 unless he has a set

sh58 08-27-2007 10:22 PM

Re: NL100: TP w/ nut flush draw, shove on flop vs. reraise
 
[ QUOTE ]
don't turn your showdownable hand into a bluff by 3b here.

there's a good thread/discussion on TP+FD, it's definetly not he same as MP+FD, you actually want to see a showdown with it. flat call the $17 here

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link please


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