150bbs deep vs reg, middle set
 

villain is funkeemunkee (13/12 over 300 hands), and his flop c/r is kinda weird. Trying to figure out what line gets all 150bbs in the most profitably. 3-bet flop or call and raise/bet turn?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $197.00
BB: $102.75
UTG: $110.50
MP: $402.65
CO: $78.40
Hero (BTN): $313.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $7.00, SB folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $32.00</font>,

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83 looks weaker than calling and getting ai on the turn

However, hes not one to think like that, so I may rather call and get the extra bet out of him rather than take the weaker line which a Columbo-type player might shove over as a bluff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i dont see any reason to raise over his flop raise. dry board, and a shove will really look like a set. you got position on him. i say let him bet the turn and shove most cards. unless the turn is also super dry, like Qd. i might slowplay another street if a card like that hit.

but yeah, call the flop. get it all in on the most turns.

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I think you need to 3-bet him here...too many cards will kill your action if he's on anything from 9's to Q's. He might be good enough to fold overpairs here, but in that case, he will be good enough to give up on the turn most of the time too.

If you want to get all 150BB in, you need more on the flop...that way, you can get him to call more easily on later streets with 1/2 to 3/4 pot sized bets.

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i call the flop and reevaluate the turn. im probably just calling there too and getting it in on the river. the pot is unmanageable for both of you already anyway

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put me in the $85 camp.

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if you are determined to try to get it in here, then you need to raise now bc otherwise you'll have trouble getting 275 more into the middle if hes not gonna badly overplay an overpair here.

i can see an argument for just calling though and then betting amounts on future streets that you think he will call with an overpair

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meh i probably call, I think raising folds out a ton of hands

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i typically call w. pos

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k i decided to just call b/c of the dryness of the board. he bet kind of small on the turn, continue to slowplay, raise small to induce/induce a crying call-down or thin value push, and shoving all seemed viable.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $197.00
BB: $102.75
UTG: $110.50
MP: $402.65
CO: $78.40
Hero (BTN): $313.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $7.00, SB folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $32.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00

Turn: ($86) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $45.00</font>,

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raise obv [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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$119

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my first thought too... it looks soooo obvious tho

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this is why we 3bet the flop vs either a very good or a very aggressive player

our line is wayyy transparent because we are usually never bluffing and way strong when calling flop and raising turn

good thing villain isnt a very good player though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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call, probably just call most turns also.

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this is why we 3bet the flop vs either a very good or a very aggressive player

our line is wayyy transparent because we are usually never bluffing and way strong when calling flop and raising turn

good thing villain isnt a very good player though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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this is exactly why i was advocating to FutureDoc on aim that if you DONT raise the flop, you can just call on a lot of turns, because

A. your line is weirder/less transparent

B. by the river he'll be confused + getting good odds and will likely call a bet

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this is why we 3bet the flop vs either a very good or a very aggressive player

our line is wayyy transparent because we are usually never bluffing and way strong when calling flop and raising turn

good thing villain isnt a very good player though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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this is exactly why i was advocating to FutureDoc on aim that if you DONT raise the flop, you can just call on a lot of turns, because

A. your line is weirder/less transparent

B. by the river he'll be confused + getting good odds and will likely call a bet

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fwiw if he bet closer to pot or we were 100bbs deep i would just call turn pretty much always

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111

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even these nitty of opp's will stack off without thinking about it even 150 deep.

but he probably has top set and this is a vent post

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even these nitty of opp's will stack off without thinking about it even 150 deep.

but he probably has top set and this is a vent post

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i wasnt asking/questioning whether i can stack him, i was looking for the best way to do it (i.e. get him to stack off the lightest)

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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studies show that people call normal numbers more often?

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raise the flop to maximize value from 99-JJ type hands. He is a nit- he either has 22/88-JJ or air here imo, and there are tons of scare cards for TT....even a min-raise would get him to shove enough times for raising to be the most +EV play.

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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studies show that people call normal numbers more often.

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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studies show that people call normal numbers more often.

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lol, whyd you quote me and then leave out the question mark, are you saying they do ?

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raise the flop to maximize value from 99-JJ type hands. He is a nit- he either has 22/88-JJ or air here imo, and there are tons of scare cards for TT....even a min-raise would get him to shove enough times for raising to be the most +EV play.

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um, why cant he have QQ+?

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even better hes not folding it?

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results fwiw

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $197.00
BB: $102.75
UTG: $110.50
MP: $402.65
CO: $78.40
Hero (BTN): $313.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $7.00, SB folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $32.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00

Turn: ($86) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $45.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $120.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $363.65</font>, Hero calls all-in for $154.05
Uncalled bet of $89.60 returned to MP

River: ($634.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $634.10 ($3 Rake)

MP had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$313.05)
Hero had 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a full house, Fives full of Eights) and WON (+$318.05)

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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studies show that people call normal numbers more often?

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i often tended to bet bizarre numbers when bluffing and round ones when i wanted calls. the rationale was that if you bet like 48.68, theres a mountain of chips on the table whereas if you bet 50, theres exactly two.
no idea if this has any kind of merit and its obviously downright retarded vs players with history.

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raise the flop to maximize value from 99-JJ type hands. He is a nit- he either has 22/88-JJ or air here imo, and there are tons of scare cards for TT....even a min-raise would get him to shove enough times for raising to be the most +EV play.

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um, why cant he have QQ+?

[/ QUOTE ]thought hero raised and villain called pre...thats even more reason to 3bet the flop imo. If he raised QQ on the flop he isn't planning on folding it..if an A/K comes he'll obviously slow down.

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You played this hand fine. I wouldn't want to flat call the turn because he might have 67 and there are a bunch of scarecards for the river.

Flop is a definite call imho.

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These kinds of hands look transparent to us, but not necessarily to our opponent

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thoughts on flatting the turn?

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I like flatting the turn because if I was villain a raise here would scare the [censored] outta me. But I have to remember people don't play like me and they're more than happy getting the money in on this turn with a big overpair.

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god he's awful

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Me or villain?

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I don't like flatting the turn. If we put villain on an overpair or TPTK or something, all sorts of river cards may scare him away.

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villian, and the hand plays itself once he c/r's the flop, he has a big hand and won't fold it, you have a bigger hand and shouldn't fold it

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i flat the turn often if i think he has a pair smaller than QQ

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$119

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Don't choose such an odd number if you want to earn a call for psychological reasons! Choose between $100, $120 or $150.

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studies show that people call normal numbers more often?

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i often tended to bet bizarre numbers when bluffing and round ones when i wanted calls. the rationale was that if you bet like 48.68, theres a mountain of chips on the table whereas if you bet 50, theres exactly two.
no idea if this has any kind of merit and its obviously downright retarded vs players with history.

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This was THE single most reliable tell on Party back when their slider sucked. If someone used the slider (obvious because the bet would be a weird number) it was like 98% a bluff.

The best was giving off fake slider tells to the regs the day you changed your screen name [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]