std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $283.80
BB: $47.00
UTG: $200.00
Hero (MP): $207.00
CO: $50.45
BTN: $620.50

Reads: <font color="blue">An overpair to the board. Should I follow up w/ a turn vb?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $21.00</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls $14.00

Flop: ($45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25.00</font>, UTG calls $25.00

Turn: ($95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($95) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $48.00</font>

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

call

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

Bet turn, call now.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

reads?

i think your line is good. balances pot control v getting value on the river. it is just a very bad river card for you

readless.... i would say you have to fold the river. even if it is a blocking bet, QQ would be the most obvious candidate to do that. AK obviously is the main contender.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

I vote fold river

I also think his line is fine (ie dont bet turn)

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

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Bet turn, call now.

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That's fine to bet so small on this good flop ?

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

$35+ on the flop.

turn is fine.

i go with my gut on these kinds of rivers. this is very read dependent. id lean towards folding.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

you cant valueshove the river because the K is a scarecard for him. just call it

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Bet turn, call now.

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Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

I generally bet the turn. The only reason not to do so is to induce a bluff/block by an aggro player with an underpair, so of course call the river as played.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

I think betting the turn is pretty bad.

He raised UTG, called 3bet, then c/c'ed flop.

He can very easily be very strong and if you are betting turn, you should be bet/folding imo and that sucks.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

Also river seems like a fold.

What does he take this line with that we beat besides some random bluff?

Hes never valuebetting worse

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I think betting the turn is pretty bad.

He raised UTG, called 3bet, then c/c'ed flop.

He can very easily be very strong and if you are betting turn, you should be bet/folding imo and that sucks.

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OP gave him reasonable set odds, for better or worse.

So a float on this flop is vv std vs a Hero who knows to CBet, if Villain is good.

And if Villain is not good, he could have random overcards or KT or whatever so value bet now.

And what exactly is wrong with bet/folding vs a good player?

P.S. we need reads for all this, not sure why OP garbled that up.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

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OP gave him set odds, for better or worse.

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wtf?

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So a float on this flop is vv std vs a Hero who knows to CBet.

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yes lets just randomly float someone who 3bet our UTG raise and cbet with a marginal strength hand, seems about right. oh yeah, we're OOP as well.

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And what exactly is wrong with bet/folding?

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it blows

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

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And what exactly is wrong with bet/folding?

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it blows

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Nice analysis, fool. I'm done.

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And what exactly is wrong with bet/folding?

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it blows

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Nice analysis, fool. I'm done.

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it blows b/c it takes all the value out of our hand. TX/99 is much more likely to bet the river/call a river bet than call 2 barrels on the flop and turn.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

pineapple, I completely aggee with AS, fold river, don't bet turn

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

River is a fold.

This hand brings up a common situation which I hate: UTG opens, I repop with JJ or maybe TT, if he calls and is a decent player I'm boned the majority of the time, yet just calling his open pf sucks because we usually have the best hand.

I hate playing JJ to UTG opens.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

looks standard, i like it. sometimes he has a weird K like AK/KQ spades, but a lot of the time he just sees the K as a bluff card.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

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call

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Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

turn check is ok provided you call river. We fell behind AK, but I think spades/low pp's may donk bet here to try and steal the pot away.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

Um, it's pretty unlikely he's bluffing this spot. When people 3bet preflop, cbet a low board, then check the turn, everyone always puts them on AK. So when the K hits on the river and he bets anyway, he's basically yelling "I hope you have AK and will call".

He's at least got AK himself but probably better.

-Andy

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

i think calling is probably pretty neutral EV.

Re: std, re-raised pot, JJ w/ position
 

Like i've been saying this entire thread, betting the turn sucks, calling the river is probably bad