Top pair against weird line
 

Villain has 25/21/2,8/25 stats and is a tricky 600/1k NL regular. I think he is a solid winningplayer but my samplesize is small. I was relative sure that he allways bet a flushdraw on the flop as well a set. On the turn i put him on 44/AdTx/AdJx or a cheap showdownraise with TdTx,JdJx,QdQx - i considered call, fold and push.

Check flop standard?

I didn´t knew what to do on the River, too.
I have the second best hand in my range here.



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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1.569.85
CO: $687.80
Button: $1.093.40
SB: $517.20
Hero: $735.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $20</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $50</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $150</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($410, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $355</font>, Hero ???

Re: Top pair against weird line
 

I would fold river, maybe even turn.

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i think the turn call is good and i would c/f river.

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depends alot on sb

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fold turn, hes not making a move.

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fold turn, hes not making a move.

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top of our range and he has a tiny range of hands that beat us. 3.5:1 too so we dont have to be right too often and he definitely shuts down on riv a lot.

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fold turn, hes not making a move.

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top of our range and he has a tiny range of hands that beat us. 3.5:1 too so we dont have to be right too often and he definitely shuts down on riv a lot.

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plus - he didnt check the flop with a flushdraw or set. I almost lean towards 3betting the turn

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he made a raise with very little FE into two players on a dangerous turn. doubt hes making a move here. (spare me the 'this is contradictory DUCY' posts everyone, it doesnt apply, DUCY?)

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what kind of hands do you think he has here?

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i dunno, stuff. flushes, sets.

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i think you suck

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there is definitely a type of player who never has a hand here.

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When a guy raises into a better and a caller, top pair, solid kicker is like never good, especially with the flush draw getting there.

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I agree with Luego about folding the turn. People do check behind flush draws on the flop on occasion, 444 is also very possible. I think it's very unlikely he is raising the turn with air, maaaaaaybe like AdQx or something but even that is pretty unlikely.

Definitely fold river as played though, I think he has a flush like every time.

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i think the turn call is good and i would c/f river.

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If we are calling the turn why are we folding the river?

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If we are calling the turn why are we folding the river?

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ty sam, word.

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i think u need to call the river

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If we are calling the turn why are we folding the river?

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ty sam, word.

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because i think his bluffing frequency (esp for a 4/5 psb on river compared to the tiny turn raise) goes down dramatically. do you disagree?

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because i think his bluffing frequency (esp for a 4/5 psb on river compared to the tiny turn raise) goes down dramatically. do you disagree?

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yes - if he has enough balls to do this w Ad (which seems reasonably likely given the way people play) - doesnt he have enough balls to fire all rivers? if he is semibluffing tun he is not shutting down. this is 44 or nada and i dont think 44 raises here some huge % of the time - and fd bets flop way more.

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yea i def think this is 44. i think his turn range is {44, semibluffs} and his river range is {44, bluffs} and i think any reasonable opponent would expect a call like always here (meaning theyre not bluffing often).

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I would bluff the River every time with any two.

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you cant show up at river with atc.

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UTG can easily show up with a flush here still. Plenty of people will check behind a flush draw on occassion in a multi way raised pot.

Also problem with calling this turn is that a good player will be betting the river just about every time since our hand is so defined.

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I prefer just folding the turn. Depends some on SB though.

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i fold to the turnraise..

who bets the flop? i think i will do often