Russo\'s \"America: Freedom to Fascism\" video
 

Link to movie

I got this link via the Aaron Russo RIP thread and I wanted to get a discussion going about this. I hope this hasn't been done before.

The video is 2 hours long, but well worth it to watch. This is without question, the most thought provoking movie I have ever seen.

We pay income taxes which pay off a debt we should have never had. Our country has been manipulated and misled by the rich elite bankers and ruling class. People who epitomize everything this country should be against.

We now have an illegal, unjust tax.

We have lost many of our most sacred civil liberties.

We will soon have national ID cards and microchips tracking our every move and purchase.

This country is descending into something very disturbing and scary. We need to know about these things and to educate others.

This issue is not a Republican v Democrat issue. Lets not be polarized on this people! This issue is America v the rich elite .000000001% that don't give a God damn about any of us!

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This issue is not a Republican v Democrat issue. Lets not be polarized on this people! This issue is America v the rich elite .000000001% that don't give a God damn about any of us!

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How many of them are Jews, cause I don't wanna get behind this if alot of them aren't Jews.

Cody

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I dunno, but the people originally behind the Federal Reserves inception are guys like JP Morgan and Rockefeller.

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We now have an illegal, unjust tax.

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What tax is that?

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We now have an illegal, unjust tax.

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What tax is that?

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According to Russo's film, and many other groups, the Federal Income Tax.

What are your thoughts on it?

I am somewhat unfamiliar with the whole debate really. As I mentioned in my OP I found his film incredibly thought provoking. If you feel strongly one way or the other, I would like to here your opinion.

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Here's some earlier threads on this: Link Link Link

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thanks iron.

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Article 8, Section 1 of the US Constitution :

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


And the 16th Amendment to the Constitution:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

I havn't watched the video yet, I will soon, but the there is no higher law than the constitution.

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Taso :

A supreme court ruling said that the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation to the government. The constitution allows only excise and direct taxes, the income tax is neither.

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Iron, I looked through those threads. I see many of the same subjects were covered. I apologize for starting a new thread, but I don't spend much time here.

In one of those threads an inflation calculator is linked.

Amazing, $100 in 2000 has the buying power of $121 today.

So we have lost $21 since Bush was in office, which is similar to when Clinton was in office.

In my short life, we have lost $130 dollars in buying power.
$100 in 1981 is the same as $230 now.

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Taso :

A supreme court ruling said that the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation to the government. The constitution allows only excise and direct taxes, the income tax is neither.

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What is a "direct" tax? I don't see that word in either of the articles I posted, what does it mean exactly?

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I am not really sure what I can do to get this info out there. This was all new to me yesterday. I posted a bulletin on myspace about Russo's film, and this inflation calculator. I really want more people to hear about this because it flat out does not get reported in the news, and thats a [censored] travesty.

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direct is a tax that everyone has to pay, but the money collected has to be redistributed to everyone, via paying for services and whatnot. The money we pay for Fed Income tax go to pay off the interest our government accrues by borrowing from the Fed Reserve. Indirect taxes are taxes that you choose to pay, such as fuel taxes, cig taxes.

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Taso :

A supreme court ruling said that the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation to the government. The constitution allows only excise and direct taxes, the income tax is neither.

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There are only 2 limitations on taxes in the constitution: that all taxes be uniform, and that direct taxes be proportioned. The latter requirement is waived for income taxes by the 16th Amendment.

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not according to the supreme court.

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not according to the supreme court.

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cite?

I think what you're really saying is not according to Aaron Russo, but (not to speak ill of the departed) Russo is a liar and a manipulator.

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not according to the supreme court.

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cite?

I think what you're really saying is not according to Aaron Russo, but (not to speak ill of the departed) Russo is a liar and a manipulator.

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I think he is more self-decieving that an outright liar. Alot of what he has stems from a genuine concern of his for the preservation of humanity, liberty, justice and freedom (at least thats what I inferred from the interview with him). I think he's going about it in the the wrong way; but I would hesitate to call him a liar,