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Villain has not done anything exceptional that I have seen in the few hours that I have played with him. He is running good and wearing sunglasses. He does not play too many hands preflop, and has no other glaring weaknesses that I have been able to diagnose at this point. I am blowing at this point, and likely stuck 8K in the game. I have no idea if he is aware of this.

1 guy limps, I limp J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in MP, villain limps the button, blinds come along. I think it was 5 ways to the flop. Maybe 6. Whatever.

flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
checks to me and I bet, button calls and maybe a limper calls.

As the turn is being dealt, villain says "ace". I have no idea what this means.

turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet, villain now raises (if anyone was in the pot behind me, they are gone now), I do what and why and what on earth does this guy have that makes any sense at all?

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Maybe he over limped with AQo. Calling for the ace particularily makes me think so. He didn't *really* need it, but it wouldn't hurt him either. Get it?

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Does he really have AQ? Maybe KQ, thinks he is ahead and wants to take control.

Probably just call and c/c the river. Given preflop action seems like we are about 50/50. If we weren't running bad, we might even bet out on the river if no scare card came.

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I think the call for an ace means he has Q-9.

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I think the call for an ace means he has Q-9.

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Well that sucks. Now we are drawing to our f--k'n four outer. Are we folding to the turn raise?

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All I know is that people very rarely call for a card they need.

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I think the call for an ace means he has Q-9.

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this is EXACTLY what I thought when he wrote it too. Bitch has q9.

/edit - woops thought the turn was an ace...and had suggested folding.

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PokerBob,
After I asked you later if you were indeed THE PokerBob, I had a feeling you would post this hand.

By the way, I believe the flop was Kd, Jc, Ts and the turn 7c.

I knew you were stuck a lot, but fail to see how that would affect a good player, and therefore it did not affect my play vs you, (unlike Schneids who seems to think that this is super important).

However, a previous play you made at the other table did affect my play on this hand.

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Maybe he over limped with AQo. Calling for the ace particularily makes me think so. He didn't *really* need it, but it wouldn't hurt him either. Get it?

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Overlimping AQo is a possibility, but I don't think it is likely from what I have seen of villain. Besides, given the board, I'd be surprised if he didn't raise the flop here, as there are a lot of action-killing cards that can come on the turn. How on earth does an ace not hurt him?!?!? It may cost him 1/2 the pot.

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I think the call for an ace means he has Q-9.

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this is EXACTLY what I thought when he wrote it too. Bitch has q9.

It's a fold, now.

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But would a guy who seemingly plays well really have that hand in this spot??? I just don't think so, which is why I am so befuddled.

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By the way, I believe the flop was Kd, Jc, Ts and the turn 7c.



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OK. I could have sworn the turn was a 5, but if it is a 7 that changes things dramatically, and basically renders the post pointless. Whoops. I suck at posting.

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By the way, I believe the flop was Kd, Jc, Ts and the turn 7c.



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OK. I could have sworn the turn was a 5, but if it is a 7 that changes things dramatically, and basically renders the post pointless. Whoops. I suck at posting.

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On second thought, I think you're right about the turn being the 5c. You're also right about me almost never having AQ or Q9 here.

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holy [censored], I thought the turn was in fact an ace lmao I was so confused when he said he thought it was a 7c.

I call down then. Not close. J5s or something makes the most sense if anything.

Either way, I'm a moron and I'm also not folding even though q9 is what I thought when he said bring an ace!

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I call down then. Not close. J5s or something makes the most sense if anything.



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Do good tight players play J5s these days?

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holy [censored], I thought the turn was in fact an ace lmao I was so confused when he said he thought it was a 7c.

I call down then. Not close. J5s or something makes the most sense if anything.

Either way, I'm a moron and I'm also not folding even though q9 is what I thought when he said bring an ace!

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i thought his line was total BS and almost 3bet the turn, as nothing makes sense other than a sloooooooooooowplayed 2nd nuts or some BS club draw.

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What does it matter anyway? Folding and 3-betting are both out of the question.

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What does it matter anyway? Folding and 3-betting are both out of the question.

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I do not think 3betting is out of the question at all.

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What does it matter anyway? Folding and 3-betting are both out of the question.

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I do not think 3betting is out of the question at all.

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If you 3bet turn are you b/f b/c or c/c river club?

I have tried to respond to this thread a couple times but it has been obvious after writing a sentence or two that I would have to write a few paragraphs to say what I want to say and I'm too lazy to do that.

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If you 3bet turn are you b/f b/c or c/c river club?



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i'd probably check any river, as he HAS to have clubs here. if i was good enough to river the J or T of clubs, then i'd bet that [censored].

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If he thinks your good and you think he is good I can't see what he'll call down a 3bet with... But then you do seem to do some spazzy chit form time to time...

he could have a Q+FD, and he may have called for the card he wanted, sometimes I call for the card I want accidentally, like I'll say 'King' cos I like to say 'King', not realising that specific nanosecond that I have AJ and a K gives me a Gshot or sum chit. I dunno. Maybe villain is like me...

btw I prolly b/c, c/c maybe b/f river if you wanna be a sick good live folder in big potsa.. if you 3bet turn you cant call down a cap btw... or can you?

JT

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Well, it's a rainbow flop and he'd have the nuts with AQ. The worst that can happen on the turn is someone hitting a 3-outer to chop (3-outer to them. Possibly 6 total outs, but it certainly doesn't have to be nearly that many).

He could be hoping for someone to c/r the flop. I wouldn't say this line would have to be a misplay. Yeah, he's passing up EV by not raising pf, which he should usually do. But I don't think it's terrible to limp with AQo here. Especially if good players are already in.

[edit:] Or... If someone flopped two pair they have 4 outs to pull ahead on the turn. Still, I don't think just calling the flop is terrible here with AQ. All hypothetical anyway, cuz I'm prolly wrong about the AQ! -lol)

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I think the call for an A is BS. I think he has KTs (which some will say to raise, but he might not) or KJo. I don't think he has Q9 cuz you said he doesn't play many hands, so I don't know why he'd decide to suddenly play q9. I think he is raising AQ.

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89cc

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I have a sneaking suspicion villain has some sort of combo draw like an oesdfd or pair + flushdraw. Other possibilities include KT, KJ, KQ, and Q9s. Do I 3bet or not? Depends on my read. I can discount the 2 pair hands here b/c I think he would raise the flop w/2pair more often than waiting for the turn b/c the flop is so draw heavy and a good player would know this and want to protect his hand. I think a very good case can be made for 3 betting the turn and checking the river.

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100/200

Villain has not done anything exceptional that I have seen in the few hours that I have played with him. He is running good and wearing sunglasses. He does not play too many hands preflop, and has no other glaring weaknesses that I have been able to diagnose at this point. I am blowing at this point, and likely stuck 8K in the game. I have no idea if he is aware of this.

1 guy limps, I limp J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in MP, villain limps the button, blinds come along. I think it was 5 ways to the flop. Maybe 6. Whatever.

flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
checks to me and I bet, button calls and maybe a limper calls.

As the turn is being dealt, villain says "ace". I have no idea what this means.

turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet, villain now raises (if anyone was in the pot behind me, they are gone now), I do what and why and what on earth does this guy have that makes any sense at all?

I called the turn. I think 3betting the turn may be right, for if this guy is at all competent (which I assumed he was) he doesn't have anything here, except something like Axcc. Then again, once he takes this line he HAS to bet the river, so maybe we should let him barrell away. I was calling any non-club. At least I thought I was.

The river was a red whore, and I check/folded as now I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc.

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"I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc"

umm, no, you still lose.

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How does he lose to 89cc here? they have 89TJK and four clubs as their hand.

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"I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc"

umm, no, you still lose.

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i meant 87. either way, i beat nothing.

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The river was a red whore, and I check/folded as now I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc.

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You also beat Kc8c which is what I had, not that I blame you for folding there.

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The river was a red whore, and I check/folded as now I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc.

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You also beat Kc8c which is what I had, not that I blame you for folding there.

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I assume you had a pair of kings and a flush draw though Bob's post shows the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the board. If you were raising any brick turn that's one thing, but if you raised the turn because you picked up the flush draw, that's a terrible reason to raise there.

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The river was a red whore, and I check/folded as now I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc.

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You also beat Kc8c which is what I had, not that I blame you for folding there.

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I assume you had a pair of kings and a flush draw though Bob's post shows the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the board. If you were raising any brick turn that's one thing, but if you raised the turn because you picked up the flush draw, that's a terrible reason to raise there.

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The flush draw made the turn raise a lot easier for me. (The BB was still to act on the turn by the way.) When the queen came on the river, I was very happy.

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The river was a red whore, and I check/folded as now I don't beat a damn thing except 98cc.

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You also beat Kc8c which is what I had, not that I blame you for folding there.

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I assume you had a pair of kings and a flush draw though Bob's post shows the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the board. If you were raising any brick turn that's one thing, but if you raised the turn because you picked up the flush draw, that's a terrible reason to raise there.

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why would he raise any brick turn?
i don't recall the sooots on the flop, just that is was rainbow and the turn brought the 2nd club.

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casella, ahh ok, I withdraw my resistance to the turn raise, Pokerbob's post didn't say it was 3 ways on the turn. Though I still somewhat disagree with your last sentence (I would only be very happy about the Queen if I got some physical read from Bob that he was disgusted with the board).

Bob, you misunderstood I don't think he should necessarily raise a brick turn I just didn't want to focus on that so I dismissed it. I think you should consider a river donk when the Queen hits.

-DeathDonkey

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casella, ahh ok, I withdraw my resistance to the turn raise, Pokerbob's post didn't say it was 3 ways on the turn. Though I still somewhat disagree with your last sentence (I would only be very happy about the Queen if I got some physical read from Bob that he was disgusted with the board).

Bob, you misunderstood I don't think he should necessarily raise a brick turn I just didn't want to focus on that so I dismissed it. I think you should consider a river donk when the Queen hits.


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I never have an ace here though, and I assumed villain knew that. That said, I made many assumptions here and was wrong on most of them. Meh. Maybe betting is right, as I guess I could have a hand like J9s or something.