10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

When i think about that hand i can find arguments to fold preflop. He runs 11/10/3.5 and on the other site i can find a call preflop and make an argument for the bet on the flop.


I have 2500, he has me covered.

Can my Queens be good here?
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Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $80</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $270</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $666</font>, 2 folds, hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1442, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $700</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $2811</font>, hero??

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

Every time I call, I lose.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

stack szises?

with normal stacks agaist what nit easy fold preflop you see AA or KK about 99% ot the time

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

Why do u bet the flop? To fold out AK? If i bet the flop, then only to induce a shove from worse. Its not like u have to protect ur hand imo...

fwiw, i dont play 10/20, maybe someone else can explain the reason for betting this flop vs this kind of Villain.

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I think u let this go preflop. These screams KK AA. Maybe even JJ.

I dont see how we play this hand on flop with a check and if he bets now what? Is folding out of question, do we call?

Im confused since he has shown much strength preflop and is saying he has KK AA, we have to bet here dont we on flop to see where were at otherwise were loosing information? If we call where does that leave us on turn, to check fold? Then why bother calling flop unless we check raise?

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"He runs 11/10/3.5"

yeah, this i fold pf very fast

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wow 11/10 exists?

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Im confused since he has shown much strength preflop and is saying he has KK AA, we have to bet here dont we on flop to see where were at otherwise were loosing information? If we call where does that leave us on turn, to check fold? Then why bother calling flop unless we check raise?

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Im confused since he has shown much strength preflop and is saying he has KK AA, we have to bet here dont we on flop to see where were at otherwise were loosing information? If we call where does that leave us on turn, to check fold? Then why bother calling flop unless we check raise?

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Im just asking if there are other lines then firing on this flop.

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Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

I don't play at these limits but I like to read your posts, they teach a lot... Just one question, what the hell does "11/10/3.5" mean? I see that very often but I don't get the stats behind it? Tx

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

fold pf if he wont do this with ak, and he probably wont. do not bet the flop.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

fold pre against an 11/10. you are dead way more than you are against AK or a frustrated JJ.

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Im confused since he has shown much strength preflop and is saying he has KK AA, we have to bet here dont we on flop to see where were at otherwise were loosing information?

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So you're the guy who buys all those e-books on how to use ebay.

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I don't play at these limits but I like to read your posts, they teach a lot... Just one question, what the hell does "11/10/3.5" mean? I see that very often but I don't get the stats behind it? Tx

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they are stats generated by a program called poker tracker, they refer to: 11=VPIP the %age of hands he plays PF
10=%age he raises PF
and 3.5=his overall aggression factor which is a frequency that takes into account how often he calls bets and raises

as for the hand, i see this as a bluff with AK a fair amount of the time, but not from this kind of guy

i agree that u should prolly fold PF
i really dont like turn unless it is to induce a bluff from AK which i doubt this guy has cause he prolly doesnt 4bet it or bluff it, he prolly bet folds it

after checking flop im not sure what i would do, but if i call a turn bet i think im folding to any reasonable river bet, if turn gets checked i would prolly call a river bet though

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

Thank you Rand. As for the "overall agression factor", what scale is it? I mean, is 3.5 very agressive, agressive...?

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

It's roughly speaking the ratio of bets and raises to calls. So 3.5 is somewhat aggressive.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

ummm, 11/10? fold pf.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

allright, tx jtr!

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for a 11/10, 3.5 is somewhat passive I think

preflop is very bad

his range I say is around 80% of the time AA-KK, if the 11/10 sample is accurate, cant see how it is though.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

3.5 is 'passive' on the back of 11/10 see the the AG equation on PT.

Unless villan has solid recent history that contradicts his stats its unlikely we are going to see AK / 10's or less.

Ignore the AG for post flop and as played its a fold,consider the AG pre flop its a fold.

As for the flop bet you are investing 25% of a Buy In to find out if your are up against AK, with villans stats and action AK will be there almost never.

Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"
 

pf is roflburgers