Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

Its a $100 max buy-in game. I have roughly $100 behind villan has me covered. About 7 limp in to me and I make it $20 to go. There are two folds villian makes it $40 all day. folds around to me. Now if I call it only leaves me with about $60 or so. He seems like every other 1/2nl live player. Not that great but has a sense of the game

Should I have just checked PF, called his $20 raise, or just shoved.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

shove ... easiest decision of the day

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

place all of your circular betting units into the area in front of you

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

Without any reads I think that you are forced to play the hand as a shove because of your stack size, the strength of your hand, and the fact that most players at live 1-2NL overvalue their hands.
(However, most players at this level do not 3-bet lightly and there is no reason why, in a live game like this, you need to go broke with QQ if you have reads. I think these games are full of weak-passive uncreative players, and some of them will never 3-bet JJ or AK preflop unless they're short and their 3-bet is a shove. Just keep an eye out for these guys.)

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

[ QUOTE ]
place all of your circular betting units into the area in front of you

[/ QUOTE ]

and maybe a hundo extra of cash if you can get away with it

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
place all of your circular betting units into the area in front of you

[/ QUOTE ]

and maybe a hundo extra of cash if you can get away with it

[/ QUOTE ]

+pink slip

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

[ QUOTE ]
place all of your circular betting units into the area in front of you

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

So here is what my thought was. I figure why would he limp in +2 utg with KK or AA. Not at these limits with two limpers ahead. I put him on JJ because he wasn't terrible just not a great player. So when it came to my turn i looked like i was just trying to buy it by looking to see how many people were in. I already knew just made it more obvious incase anyone was observant hoping for a call. So I shove and he insta calls. Turns over KK and get no help. I still today don't know why anyone would limp in with two limpers ahead of time. Just couldn't believe it. Guess I should have guessed at these limits.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

The trick with doing this play w/ KK is to be able to get away from it on a multiway flop. As played, he got a heads up pot against a hand that he had crushed. At live $1/2 you are often faced w/ a mwp when you are the first in, so limp-reraises go up in value IMO.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

But when your 3rd to act shouldn't you realize that your giveig oppurtunity for a lot of people to join the pot. I mean in this limit with KK AA QQ don't you want less people because of hands like J7s and 89o that people have no problem limping in big pots to get out.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

not if you can get away from kk after a scary flop...i heard you don't have to play it to the river

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

[ QUOTE ]
But when your 3rd to act shouldn't you realize that your giveig oppurtunity for a lot of people to join the pot. I mean in this limit with KK AA QQ don't you want less people because of hands like J7s and 89o that people have no problem limping in big pots to get out.

[/ QUOTE ]

The point of limping in 3rd is for the opportunity to make a 3 bet when someone else raises light. If you have a maniac on your left who raises often, then this is a good play. I promise, in live poker, you make it $12 to $20 and you're getting more than one call most of the time.

If the limp reraise doesn't work, then you most of the time just have to dump your hand to any significant action on a mw flop. Your goal isn't to see a mw flop, it's to be able to iso w/ a 3 bet.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

There was a post made by Grunch a year ago in SSNL, in regards of how to interpret a limp RR situation.

Anyone who has any doubt about these types of situations should check it out Limp + RR = tarp

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

Limp re-raise UTG is pretty clearly a big pair and sometimes AK. This is a bit different. I think Mr. KK was pretty crafty here. That 3rd limp, little re-raise is very often something much weaker. A pair of 9s, a middle suited connector, etc. You don't see that sort of deep limping (I believe that's the term from NLTAP) at a game where it is much more likely to be limped around. I think that was a really nicely executed trap. All of that said, there's no way you're getting away from QQ. Don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to fold QQ for 40BB preflop in an already big pot. It just isn't time well spent.

Re: Live 1/2nl QQ in BB
 

I think you could have raised a lot more preflop. Having said that, you committed when you raised. So, you aren't going anywhere now. You should go ahead and put the rest in.

If its a "normal" live game that features big preflop raises I think you could have made a bigger raise preflop.