Flopped Boat at Commerce
 

9-18 commerce. Averages 5-6 players per flop. 1/3 TAGs, 2 maniacs and the rest just average semi-tight semi-aggressive. Hero is winning in the session and perceived as a TAG.

Hero has TT in the SB. 6-7 limpers. Hero raises and everyone calls. Flop is QQT rainbow. Hero...?

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bet and its not even close.

what you do next depends on what happens after you bet.

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bet and its not even close.


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Is this table so nuts that it does not matter that you raised PF? If so, bombs away.

Some tables do take a deep breath with flops like this one and people quickly fold to bets on the flop on boards like these. If you have seen this shutdown of action at your table particularly to paired flops, check. Then, oddly, they will seem to let you go nuts on the turn and river at twice the price.

Unless I've seen this folding behavior, I would bet and pray to get raised on the turn.

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Is this table so nuts that it does not matter that you raised PF? If so, bombs away.

Some tables do take a deep breath with flops like this one and people quickly fold to bets on the flop on boards like these. If you have seen this shutdown of action at your table particularly to paired flops, check. Then, oddly, they will seem to let you go nuts on the turn and river at twice the price.

Unless I've seen this folding behavior, I would bet and pray to get raised on the turn.

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Checking screams you have a monster (TT/AQ/QQ).

OP, bet.. and it is not even close.

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Yea bet so can get some callers and or a raiser so you can 3 bet em for sure. What if it gets checked around? That would kinda suck with 6-7 limpers. Also with that flop you are going to get some callers chasing down a str8 draw or someone who paired etc.

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Why wouldn’t you bet? You do not even have the nuts on the flop. If somebody has a Qx, do you want to give them a free flop to draw out on you?

If you regularly c-bet when you have raised pre-flop, they will not be sure you have a Q or are just c-betting the flop.

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bet and hope to get raised by one of the donks

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Your likely to get several callers(and perhaps a raiser) since they have already invested 2 SBs into the pot PF as well.

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One other thing OP, a lot of players won't believe you when you bet out on made big hands like this cause they wouldn't play the hand that way. They would wrongly slow play this in a family plot and miss bets. Don't think like them cause they won't play the hand like you would(or should) play it. I know cause I learned that in playing live and more so here on the forum with flopped flushes and str8s etc that i got flamed for slowplaying.

Poker Field of Dreams: If you bet them and they will come. Occasionally they won't but more often than not you'll get plenty of action. I think Miller said something along the lines of that betting is the best way to encourage action and I heartily agree here.

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i like the idea of a bet here. I notice that often in these types of games a check on flop bet on turn from SB/BB gets much more respect than if i just bet out. its like they can't put you on a high Queen or FH cause you would SURELY have checked it.
added bonus is someone could be slowplaying a queen and decide he has his 'fish' and raise you.

brian

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bet and hope to get raised by one of the donks

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I'm not only betting but three-betting if raised. Does anyone disagree with the three-bet?

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You should definitely bet here. In fact, you are really hoping someone has a garbage queen and will play back.

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I'm not only betting but three-betting if raised. Does anyone disagree with the three-bet?

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I only disagree with a 3-bet if the raise comes from directly to your right (including those times everyone between you and the raiser fold). Depending on who's left, I would then bet out again or c/r the turn.

When players flop big hands, like 3 queens, their instinct is to slowplay (as indicated earlier in the thread). I really hope that they all call the flop and the Q raises the turn. A raise on the flop is not as strong as the call/raise play. The raiser is less likely to have a queen: expect KJ, a FD, or something like 88 or AT. These hands are drawing virtually dead. There is no reason to charge their draws, and you don't want to scare them off.

In other words, slow down against flop aggression (unless you have a lot of people coming along with the 2 of you) and go to town against turn aggression.

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Poker Field of Dreams: If you bet them and they will come. Occasionally they won't but more often than not you'll get plenty of action. I think Miller said something along the lines of that betting is the best way to encourage action and I heartily agree here.

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This is correct.

Bet. Live players are still baffled when you bet out monsters.

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If I was raised on this flop (which I doubt would happen), I'd probably call the flop and donk the turn, hoping to get a 3bet in. Personally, I've had a lot of live success with this line.

The much, much more likely course of action is that any Q will raise the turn, and you can get in the 3bet.

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hesitate, then bet.

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hesitate, then bet.

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Oh god, please, no. If you want to give your hand away so obviously, just flip it over. I always laugh when I see this huge tell; even online it happens morw than you'd think.

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Check it down, obviously. Then keep betting it all-in heads-up on the river when a king comes.

Or you could just bet.

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Why wouldn’t you bet? You do not even have the nuts on the flop. If somebody has a Qx, do you want to give them a free flop to draw out on you?


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if someone had qx they arent checking on the flop

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if someone had qx they arent checking on the flop

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Play live much? I see this done at least once a session.

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I saw this the other night twice as well.

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open muck and go play slots; poker is not your thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]