Turning AK into a bluff again
 

No history with villain, stats are 22/14/2.0, and seems reasonable. Given that I would attribute a large portion of his range to PP's, surely betting this flop is turning AK into a bluff because we can't profitably double and any A or K kills the action regardless. But then again, if we check behind, our hand is almost face up as AK. What to do?

I'm really getting owned in these spots.


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $72.00
BB: $49.73
UTG: $67.81
MP: $67.99
CO: $64.44
Hero (BTN): $99.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, SB calls $4.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($12) 5http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero ?

Re: Turning AK into a bluff again
 

22/14 is the type that doesn't really respect position and will probably call with dominated type hands pf. he shows up with KQo and 98s here a decent amount. just bet the flop, check behind the turn, and river an ace.

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I check behind a lot. Who cares if your hand is face up (I don't think it neccessarily is)?

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I check behind a lot. Who cares if your hand is face up (I don't think it neccessarily is)?

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OK, so what about when this happens? Check the turn as well?


Turn: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $20.00</font>, Hero folds

Re: Turning AK into a bluff again
 

Bet flop, check turn.

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Why bet the flop? As a bluff?

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I check behind a lot. Who cares if your hand is face up (I don't think it neccessarily is)?

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OK, so what about when this happens? Check the turn as well?


Turn: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $20.00</font>, Hero folds

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yeah check turn as well. I'd be sooo tempted to "show" that 9 where he is at though.

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Bet flop, check turn.

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Why bet the flop? As a bluff?

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you're betting the flop to protect your equity.

say he has a hand like 98s. sure, he's not calling when you're ahead, but he's also not putting more money in behind usually either, so you're just giving him a freeroll to win the hand.

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Bet

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Bet flop, check turn.

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Why bet the flop? As a bluff?

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you're betting the flop to protect your equity.

say he has a hand like 98s. sure, he's not calling when you're ahead, but he's also not putting more money in behind usually either, so you're just giving him a freeroll to win the hand.

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People try to bluff me with 98s/QJ/w.e all the time when I check behind on this flop.

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Check turn after checking flop.

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Bet flop, check turn.

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Why bet the flop? As a bluff?

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you're betting the flop to protect your equity.

say he has a hand like 98s. sure, he's not calling when you're ahead, but he's also not putting more money in behind usually either, so you're just giving him a freeroll to win the hand.

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People try to bluff me with 98s/QJ/w.e all the time when I check behind on this flop.

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fine if you want to call them down with ace high but Op doesn't seem to want to do that either.

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Can't you double barrel any J, Q, K, A, check blank. If he calls you down with small pairs you can start getting value out of medium pairs+

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C-bet the flop. If he calls, check behind on the turn and hope to spike river.

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This post is retarded for a lot of reasons, but I want to draw attention to it because when I used to play 25nl and 50nl this was the standard response. "You have AK, AK is a great hand, bet". But I would contend that versus this guys range our equity in this pot isnt so great, or at least, not great enough to make a bet a good idea, simply because you need to assign villain a lot of junk to put us ahead.

Teach me if I am wrong, but I feel like verus villains calling range we may as well have 72o if we want to bet here, because if he calls we are toast (and I feel like he calls more than he folds).

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C-bet the flop. If he calls, check behind on the turn and hope to spike river.

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hello mr. tagfish.

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Or am I overthinking this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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i think betting the flop is fine. however by this logic if you aren't betting the flop, i don't see why you should be betting the turn

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I say you have to bet this flop. If you're only betting this flop when you have a piece why is anyone giving you action. Granted, this is 100NL, but I still bet the flop here.

I bet the flop, check through turn, and if he bets on river I usually fold but if I think there's a good chance he's FOS (like people at 100NL often are on boards like 55392 or something) I'll call and get shown garbage very often. But who knows, maybe I'm a tagfish.

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Bet the flop for value, check behind on turn

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Value vs.............?

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bet the flop to eliminate all non-pair hands from his range

check behind on turn for potcontrol/you are beat

fold to his weak river bet/spike an ace and make a weak value bet when he checks his small PP

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If he doesnt cr very often, I dont think it really matters. check and call his turn bet or bet and bet the turn. whatever.

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Bet the flop for value

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I think you have to mix it up and be flexible with your range in spots like this, esp w/ more history. And that doesn't mean c-betting AK here either.

As played you are going to have to double barrel this flop sometimes against mid pp's.

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Just played this hand vs a 50/35/5.0 ... this is the reason that I dont bet the flop when I miss and exactly, exactly the perfect example of what im talking about

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $80.45
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $25.34
CO: $163.71
BTN: $258.56

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, SB calls $8.00

Flop: ($24) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($24) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $7.00</font>, Hero calls $7.00

Pot Size: $38.00 ($2.40 Rake)

SB had Thttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pairs, Tens and Fours) and WON (+$16.60)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pairs, Fours and Threes) and LOST (-$19.00)

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qft!!

Re: Turning AK into a bluff again
 

Bet that flop ama. In reraised pots we really want to take the pot down (and protect our equity vs 6 outers I guess) because of the pot-size. We can also fold out better hands on this board sometimes (though maybe not vs this guy).

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uh a reraised BvB pot is totally different from the original situation....

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I think bet/check line is good and check/check line. Depending on the opponent.

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In the OP, if I'm betting the flop, I'm like never checking the turn.

As played, obv you have to check turn

Also, our hand differs from 72o in the way that we have more equity when called, so it's more of a semibluff