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Teach me to play craps
I am a vegas local and have barely any clue on how to play.
What do 100x odds mean 10x odds, ect? The only thing I know is how to play the passline. Should I be Playing certain number when there are certain points? Do you guys who play have a certain strategy? Thanks |
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If you have $5 on the pass line you can have 100 times or 10 times behind the line for odds.
$5 line bet = $500 or $50 max bet for odds Odds bets are as follows: 4 and 10 - Pay 2 to 1. $5 gets you $10 5 and 9 - Pay 3 to 2. $6 gets you $9 6 and 8 - Pay 7 to 5. $5 gets you $7 If you want to play a few more numbers and keep the house edge low, place the 6 and 8 in multiples of $6. Stay away from all of the bets in the middle of the table and field. If you want to make your level of ingorance obvious to everyone playing, play the pass line with out odds and play the field. |
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Complete idiots guide to playing craps:
1. Walk up to table 2. Wait until the shooter (person rolling dice) is not rolling. 3. Put money on table in front of dealer. Receive chips. 4. Wait until the puck (black/white disc used to denote which number is the point) is "Off" (will be black with white lettering). 5. Place min bet for the table on the pass line. 6. If shooter rolls 7 or 11 you win. Take winnings leave pass line bet. A 2, 3 or 12 and you lose. Replace pass line bet. Any other number becomes the point. 7. Place double your original bet directly behind your original passline bet (but not on the passline). 8. Hope shooter rolls the point. 9. Profit. |
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pass line bet equales even money, right? Do the odds ever change to be in your favor w/something like 100x odds?
Are you saying you normally only play 6 and 8? Does this change w/the point rolled? |
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pass line bet equales even money, right? Do the odds ever change to be in your favor w/something like 100x odds? Are you saying you normally only play 6 and 8? Does this change w/the point rolled? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the pass line bet always pays even money (1 for 1). No the odds bet behind the line pays "true" odds. No advantage to the player or the house. Assume the point has been set here's an example of how the odds work out. Point ----- 10 or 4 -- 3 ways to win, 6 ways to lose 5 or 9 -- 4 ways to win, 6 ways to lose 6 or 8 -- 5 ways to win, 6 ways to lose Ways to win on a 6. (1,5) (2,4) (3,3) (5,1) (4,2) Ways to lose with a 7. (1,6) (6,1) (2,5) (5,2) (3,4) (4,3) If I "Place" a bet it's always on the 6 and 8. If the point is 6 or 8 I double the bet on the other number. Treat the 6 and 8 as brother and sister. |
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"6 and 8 - Pay 7 to 5. $5 gets you $7"
Corection: 6 and 8 - Pay 6 to 5. $5 gets you $6 |
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Dice control, back pass and come bets with max odds of course, buy the 6 and the 8, press after they hit 2nd time, when first approaching a table, wait for 5 non-crap numbers to be rolled before starting come bets. Search out virgin shooters and chick shooters as much as humanly possible without getting arrested, n00b shooters always win. Move up once you start winning. Follow my advice to the letter and you can win $2-4k a year like I do at craps!!!1111!!
LOL at all the pussies who don't play craps. Bestest game ever invented. Oh, and if the table's ice-cold, just bet against the shooter, but then you lose a tiny piece of your soul every time you win. So use this wager judiciously. |
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So you're saying since I suck at poker I should quit my job today and become a professional craps shooter? Are the bankroll requirements the same? 300bb or 20 bi?
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Simple, you'll go broke slowest taking full odds on pass/don't come/don't.
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Craps can be a fun game, especially at a full table with everyone winning. However, the volatility can really kill you, especially with large odds bets. My general rule for most casino games--depends on the game of course--is to buy in with at least 10x what I plan to bet. With craps (which I rarely play due to insufficient bankroll to deal with such volatility) I think I'd rather buy-in with a 50x minimum and maybe even 100x or more.
The following are sucker bets: All proposition (one-roll) bets. This includes the Horn and the individual bets (2, 3, 11, and 12) that make up the Horn, Any Seven, C&E (2, 3, or 11), the Field bet, and so on. Big 6 and Big 8. Same bet as place bet on 6 or 8 but pays 1:1, so the house edge is higher. (Are the Big 6/8 actually prop bets? I've never seen anyone dumb enough to bet it.) Hardways. (I admit I make this bet from time to time, but for table min only.) As for the number bets, placing 6 and 8 are the only really reasonable bets, with a house edge of 1.52%. Placing 5 and 9 are much worse, with a house edge of 4.0%. As for 4 and 10, they should always be bought (with 5% commission) and not placed, as the house edges are 4.76% vs. 6.7%. Of course, if you can find a casino or a table that offers free buy bets on 4 and 10, those become somewhat better bets due to the lower house edge. Exact effects will depend on the rule and the amount bet. Look at the craps section of http://www.wizardofodds.com for more info. There's nothing inherently wrong with come bets. They're the same as a pass line bet on the come-out roll and can be played the same. If you really want to get a lot of money on the table, you can make several come bets and then take odds on those. That's not that bad a strategy overall, assuming your bankroll can take it. And ignore at least half of what NajdorfDefense said. Dice control is crap (no pun intended), the dice have no memory so it doesn't matter when you start making come bets, the shooter of course doesn't matter, and don't buy the 6 and 8 but place the 6 and 8 instead. Your decision on whether or not to press a bet, of course. So, I say, make the pass line bet. Put as much as you can (or are comfortable with) behind the line as an odds bet. If you want to get a little more action on the table, make place bets on 6 and/or 8 in increments of $6 (getting this wrong will make you look foolish and/or inexperienced and don't worry if you don't have exact change as the dealers will take care of it). If you want, make come bets and take the odds on those points as well. Avoid all other bets. |
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so now what is the difference between placing numbers and buying numbers? Whats the 5% commision thing?
Sorry guys I'm at work and cant pull up any gambling sites to learn(exept this one) |
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expert nit strategy:
put the smallest amount of monies allowed on the "don't pass" portion of the table when the hockey puck is black side up. (don't bet on the "pass" line. everyone will hate you for betting "against" the table, but you can just remind them that you are saving $46 per $100,000 wagered this way. they will understand.) after the roller rolls if the casino people don't take your monies or give you more monies you can put some extra monies behind the original bet (however much it takes for the swings to be fun, this extra bet has a 0% house advantage). a true nit skips this step. when everybody else cheers, you lose monies. when everybody else boos, you rake in the monies. repeat until sufficiently drunk and/or bored and proceed to strip club. |
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Simple, you'll go broke slowest taking full odds on pass/don't come/don't. enjoy [/ QUOTE ] you'll go broke slowest betting the minimum on don't pass/don't come and taking no odds whatsoever. |
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So seriously. What is your normal stategy when playing. Pass line w/some odds behind. then take 6&8? Howe does this stategy sound?
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A place bet does not pay true odds. For 4/10 it's 9:5; for 5/9 it's 7:5; and for 6/8 it's 7:6. True odds on those numbers are 2:1, 3:2, and 6:5 respectively. The house edge on buy bets are all the same, 4.76%. However, except for 4/10, the place bet is better because of the effect of the commission. So, let's say you buy the 4 for $100. The commission is 5%, so if you win, you get $200 less the commission, so the dealer gives you $195. However, if you place the 4 and win, you get $180. So that's why you always buy the 4 and 10.
As for the others, same deal. Buying 5/9 for $100 wins $145 while placing 5/9 wins $140. So buying 5/9 is marginally better, but there are other considerations I'll get into in a moment. Buying 6/8 for $100 wins $115 while placing 6/8 for $100 would win $116.67, though of course you'd actually bet $102 to win $119. Remember, though, that you have to pay the commission up front, so win or lose, you're out that 5%. That can be enough to make buying the 5/9 unattractive. If you're lucky, you can find a table that only charges commission on wins, and that makes buying 5/9 much more attractive as that lowers the house edge to 2.00%, versus the 4.00% house edge of the place bet. There's a similar effect on 4/10, lowering the house edge to 1.67% and making it a bet reasonably close to placing 6/8. If you can get access to Wikipedia, that site has got a pretty good craps article. |
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So seriously. What is your normal stategy when playing. Pass line w/some odds behind. then take 6&8? Howe does this stategy sound? [/ QUOTE ]As I suggested earlier, make a pass line bet. Make as large an odds bet as you can (or are comfortable with--I have seen tables in Indian casinos that offer 100x odds.) If you want to get a little more action, you can make a place bet on 6/8. If the commission is only taken on wins, you can make buy bets on 4/10 and 5/9. Otherwise, don't play those at all. If you're getting bored waiting for the point to be over when you get to the table, you can make a come bet and play it like you would a pass line bet. If you want to get more money on the table, making come bets and taking the odds is a good way of doing it. |
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"6 and 8 - Pay 7 to 5. $5 gets you $7" Corection: 6 and 8 - Pay 6 to 5. $5 gets you $6 [/ QUOTE ] Thank you -- Typo |
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Another question: do you take more odds on certain points?
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Looking at the websites of some of the Indian casinos I play at (not too often, as they're all now about 4 hours of driving away from me and I'm a poor grad student) one claims to offer free buy on 4 and 10. I'm not sure if that indicates that the buy is free if you lose or if the buy is truly commission free. Also, I don't know what effect that would have on the house edge, but I can guess that it'd be a lot. Anyone want to do the math?
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So seriously. What is your normal stategy when playing. Pass line w/some odds behind. then take 6&8? Howe does this stategy sound? [/ QUOTE ] That's how I normally play. I may get flamed because yes I know the dice have no memory, but be patient the game can be quite swingy. Look for momentum and take winnings to increase the money on the table. A hot streak should end with you having a fair amount of $$$ on the table. This is where money management comes in. I make sure I'm taking profits off the table but also increasing my bets slowly. I also prefer to play downtown Vegas where there are plenty of tabels to move to. As far as playing the don't. It's not fun. |
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Another question: do you take more odds on certain points? [/ QUOTE ]I'd say no. Make the same odds bet each time. It should all average out in the long run. You could reduce the variance a bit by betting less on 4/10 and 5/9--I've seen casinos that have something like 3x odds on 4/10, 4x odds on 5/9, and 5x odds on 6/8 as well as others that limit you to low odds amounts like 2x but then allow "full double odds" on 6/8, i.e. 2.5x, but I say make the same bet each time. What you should do is figure out how much you're willing to bet and then figure out how to make the largest odds bet possible. Say a casino offers 20x odds. If I wanted to bet $100 each time, I'd probably bet $5 on the pass line and $95 on the odds. Then, of course, the question is what's the increase in house edge betting 19x odds instead of 20x odds and would I be better off overall betting that extra $5. |
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expert nit strategy: put the smallest amount of monies allowed on the "don't pass" portion of the table when the hockey puck is black side up. (don't bet on the "pass" line. everyone will hate you for betting "against" the table, but you can just remind them that you are saving $46 per $100,000 wagered this way. they will understand.) after the roller rolls if the casino people don't take your monies or give you more monies you can put some extra monies behind the original bet (however much it takes for the swings to be fun, this extra bet has a 0% house advantage). a true nit skips this step. when everybody else cheers, you lose monies. when everybody else boos, you rake in the monies. repeat until sufficiently drunk and/or bored and proceed to strip club. [/ QUOTE ] Homer -- I would consider it an honor to make a donation with you some evening. You know your sh*t. I would, of course, incorporate the house agents into my game. But somehow I think you already know that ... |
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Complete idiots guide to playing craps: 1. Walk up to table 2. Wait until the shooter (person rolling dice) is not rolling. 3. Put money on table in front of dealer. Receive chips. 4. Wait until the puck (black/white disc used to denote which number is the point) is "Off" (will be black with white lettering). 5. Place min bet for the table on the pass line. 6. If shooter rolls 7 or 11 you win. Take winnings leave pass line bet. A 2, 3 or 12 and you lose. Replace pass line bet. Any other number becomes the point. 7. Place double your original bet directly behind your original passline bet (but not on the passline). 8. Hope shooter rolls the point. 9. Profit. [/ QUOTE ] Way too complicated. 1. Walk up to table 2. drop money on table, get chips 3. put minimum money on "come". If it's not the right time, dealer will helpfully move it to "pass" for you. 4. after dice are rolled drop everything else you have and say "odds". Dealer will helpfully give you back everything over the max odds. 5. repeat 3, 4 forever (or until all chips are gone). When everyone at the table cheers, you collect money. |
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So you're saying since I suck at poker I should quit my job today and become a professional craps shooter? Are the bankroll requirements the same? 300bb or 20 bi? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, 20 BI of the table maximum [so like $10k on a $5 table], or 50 BI if you haven't been leveled. My method is foolproof and has shown an annual profit every year for 15 years in a row, which is not leveling but possibly some very good luck...and, er...skill. |
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As far as playing the don't. It's not fun. [/ QUOTE ] It is when the table is full of tools and the shooter establishes three or four come bets while you're on the don't and then he rolls a 7 and everyone at the table loses everything and then the dealer shoves you a giant stack of chips and you yell, "SHIP IT!" |
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you yell, "SHIP IT!" [/ QUOTE ] An accurate visualization of a "tool". |
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As far as playing the don't. It's not fun. [/ QUOTE ] Don't pass is the only way to go.. Yea, you don't make any friends but you will make more money in the long run. Short streaks (lot's of pass dice, i.e 7 OUT) are more common, and happen a lot as opposed to that one real hot roll. Most people will get a hot roll, press all their bets and not take any profits. Or, even worse win a bunch of money just to stand there for another hour and give it all back during the cold streak. With don't pass/don't come, you always know were you are at in a hand. BET DONT! |
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[ QUOTE ] you yell, "SHIP IT!" [/ QUOTE ] An accurate visualization of a "tool". [/ QUOTE ] Was wondering if someone would notice that comment. I do play the don't sometimes but quietly pick up my huge stack of chips. |
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Yea, you don't make any friends but you will make more money in the long run [/ QUOTE ] What if you don't live long enough to reach the long run. You do realize the difference in the house edge between a do and a don't player is so small as to be overcome easily by simple variance in the short amount of time you will ever spend playing craps during your lifetime don't you? Jimbo |
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I'm not talking about the very modest difference in house edge: Pass vs. Don't pass, 1.414% house edge vs. 1.402% house edge.
What I was referring to is a history of playing craps for 22 years. Roughly the first 11 years on Pass, and the last 11 years on Don't pass. My experience is, you will make more money ("in the long run", e.g. many years) with Don't pass. Yes, yes I know, mathematically pass/don't pass (with odds) is a coin flip. So, why do 98% of the players always bet on Heads? (i.e. the Pass line) If you want to be part of the crowd, by all means play Pass Line. If you are going to play craps for just one weekend of your life, it really doesn't matter what you do, pass vs. don't pass. Just stay away from all the props and one-roll bets. |
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If you want to be part of the crowd, by all means play Pass Line. If you are going to play craps for just one weekend of your life, it really doesn't matter what you do, pass vs. don't pass. Just stay away from all the props and one-roll bets. [/ QUOTE ] It does make a difference - unless you're a twisted SOB, it's more fun to win with everyone else than profit on the crowd's losses. Given that the house edge is almost exactly the same, I really don't see why a fledgling craps player would want to play Don't Pass. |
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[ QUOTE ] If you want to be part of the crowd, by all means play Pass Line. If you are going to play craps for just one weekend of your life, it really doesn't matter what you do, pass vs. don't pass. Just stay away from all the props and one-roll bets. [/ QUOTE ] It does make a difference - unless you're a twisted SOB, it's more fun to win with everyone else than profit on the crowd's losses. Given that the house edge is almost exactly the same, I really don't see why a fledgling craps player would want to play Don't Pass. [/ QUOTE ] QFT, I've come to hate playing Blackjack since I started playing craps. Much more social as the table generally wins together. |
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"than profit on the crowd's losses"
LOL.. This is the most understood aspect of craps. Whenever you bet "Don't pass" everybody thinks you are "betting with the house". So not true. Craps is just like a football game (e.g. Chargers vs. Raiders), with two possible outcomes. The casino books BOTH sides of the action (you can bet either the Chargers OR the Raiders, the point spread gets adjusted so there is even money on both sides of the wager.) In craps, you can bet Pass, or Don't Pass. In craps you can take odds (pass) or lay odds (Don't pass). The casino is just the book. You never are playing craps against the casino. However, people predominantly bet Pass Line... why, next point.. "it's more fun to win with everyone" I can't argue this point, it's just a matter of what you are trying to get out of the game. If it’s companionship you want, fine. Bet PASS. Go for it. I guess if I told you that 95% of the people in the room were betting on the Chargers, you would pick them, just to fit in. |
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The casino is just the book. You never are playing craps against the casino. [/ QUOTE ] This is very wrong. In a casino you are very much playing against the "house" regardless of which side you are playing. For your arguement to be true there would have to be even money on the pass and don't. The odds don't fluctuate based on where the money is. Where would the casinos vig come from in your scenario??? 1 reason to play the pass with odds is that it takes a hole lot less $$$ to take the odss -vs- laying odds. |
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One thing I've always liked about the don't side is you never get that horrible seven-out feeling. Many times I've had $200-300 on the table in the form of pass/come/odds/place bets and that seven comes and there's the giant letdown of watching a huge stack get sucked into the box.
With the don't side you get slowly picked off as the numbers hit, but no massive letdown. Also, I enjoy when numbers get established on the don't side because at that point the odds are in your favor. You've already passed the seven/eleven issue. |
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I guess if I told you that 95% of the people in the room were betting on the Chargers, you would pick them, just to fit in. [/ QUOTE ]No action from me. The Raiders suck. Plus, I'm a Broncos fan--I'm already wishing both could manage to lose. |
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PhilHelmet - Yes, yes I know, mathematically pass/don't pass (with odds) is a coin flip. So, why do 98% of the players always bet on Heads? (i.e. the Pass line) [/ QUOTE ] Consider the "Pass" line, printed in red ink, surrounding the table -- in front of every player -- combined with the "Come", again printed in red -- within reach of all players. Compare that with the "Don't Pass / Don't Come", printed in black on green -- on a small patch in the corner of the table, within reach on 1 or 2 players at most. You have to call the bet, and/or ask to have it placed. The house wouldn't try to influence you --would they? [ QUOTE ] uclaben- Given that the house edge is almost exactly the same, I really don't see why a fledgling craps player would want to play Don't Pass. [/ QUOTE ] The variance is very different. The house wants variance for the players. It produces a lot of losers, and some very big winners. And among the losers, many have experienced a significant win at some point prior to their loss. That's what the players remember -- and that's what great gaming is all about (from the house perspective). [ QUOTE ] mhcmarty - This is very wrong. In a casino you are very much playing against the "house" regardless of which side you are playing. For your arguement to be true there would have to be even money on the pass and don't. The odds don't fluctuate based on where the money is. [/ QUOTE ] The odds don't fluctuate -- which is why the house will glady book either side. They're don't need to 'lay off' any imbalance, because as you say -- the odds don't change. When the guy you're betting against doesn't care who wins -- he's a bookie. [ QUOTE ] AquaSwing - With the don't side you get slowly picked off as the numbers hit, but no massive letdown. Also, I enjoy when numbers get established on the don't side because at that point the odds are in your favor. You've already passed the seven/eleven issue. [/ QUOTE ] Whether you slowly get picked off, or slowly win -- there's a lot less variance on the don't side. Which is why the layout is designed as it is. |
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It should also be mentioned that there is a trade-off between minimizing your risk of ruin over a certain time period (or number of rolls) and maximizing the probability you will, say, double your roll.
If you want to maximize the probability you will (approximately) double your money, you should place your entire roll for the session on one pass line bet + full odds (or come, or don't pass, etc). Of course if you lose that bet, you are busto. If you want to maximize the probability you will play for a couple of hours without going busto, you should make minimum bets on the pass line (or don't pass). However, this betting strategy makes it much less likely you will double your money compared to placing your entire roll on a single bet. |
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If you want to maximize the probability you will (approximately) double your money, you should place your entire roll for the session on one pass line bet + full odds (or come, or don't pass, etc). Of course if you lose that bet, you are busto. [/ QUOTE ] This never made any sense to me -- placing a case bet in a craps game. First off -- you might as well ignore odds, otherwise you have to place only a portion of your BR on the line. What portion? If you're betting only a portion of your roll -- it's not a case bet. Here's how I see front line craps. On the come out roll -- there's a 1 out of 3 chance there will be a decision. If there is a decision -- there's a 2:1 chance I win. If there's no decision -- I'm at a disadvantage. Does that sound like a good place to put a case bet? On the back line there's the same 1 out of 3 chance for a decision that's 2:1 against me -- but if there's no decision I get the advantage. In either case -- the craps table is a lousy place for a case bet. If you're on the front -- you're might have to watch a 45 minute million dollar hand waiting for your 4 to repeat (or not). If you're on the back -- you're going to watch the shooter load the 5 points you don't own before he sevens or knocks you off the one point you own. Save yourself the agony -- case bets belong on baccarat. |
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