KK what do you do on river?
 

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Hero ($199.30)
SB ($238.45)
BB ($566.95)
UTG ($103.85)
MP ($176.50)
CO ($436.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($18) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($46) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38.

River: ($122) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ????

villian is 26/20/2.5

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

It's a terrible attempt at a CR here if that's what's happening. I still probably check here, though. I think he has &lt;77 often, but that doesn't pay you off on the river usually anyway.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

I'd simply check.
He bet both the flop and the turn into the original aggressor.
Looks like he has already a hand here. Most likely PP. Maybe set which turned into a boat on the river.
If he's got a boat he's going to double up if you bet.
If he's got a low PP he will IMHO fold if you bet.

No +EV if you bet IMHO.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

Is anyone else getting in a raise on the flop or turn? Villain usually has a draw or PP. From my limited experience, a set here would almost always c/r the turn.

As played, I check the river.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

go like 70

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

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Is anyone else getting in a raise on the flop or turn? Villain usually has a draw or PP. From my limited experience, a set here would almost always c/r the turn.

As played, I check the river.

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Yeah, absolutely. I misread the action first time round.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

The first thing I was going to say about this hand was to raise the flop. On the river check it...your not getting called by many hands we are beating and if he raises us we're gonna seriously regret betting it.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

If i raise the flop im getting all PP's im beating to fold and all the sets to shove?

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

raise somewhere before the river jebus

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

just valuebet river

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

i think he's in check call mode with a pocket pair either 77ish or even up to JJ (MAYBE QQ). if you just call the flop and the turn, he could conceivably put you on a 9, which would make the river a scare card. if he seriously just boated up or hit a third 9, he is an utter donk for just checking. OMG I HAS A BOAT I SLOWPLAY.

so you're either totally owned or dominating. ie, yesterday i had 66 on a 88J flop, went check check, turn was a 7 he checked i bet he called, river was an 8, he checked, i checked, he turned over 10 8. i cannot for the life of me understand plays like that.

so i'd vbet and fold to a big re raise.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

check it down bro...the only play that he has is to re-raise you and that is the last decision you want to make with KK...i can't believe you just flat called both the flop and the turn though...i would have at least raised one of those streets

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

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raise somewhere before the river jebus

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Flop/turn line is perfectly fine imo.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

i bet 75 here and fold to a shove...your hand is very under repped and theres absolutely no way he thinks you have KK here and might be trying to showdown cheaply...i would probably raise the flop fwiw tho

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check it down bro...

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you flat-called the flop and turn, why would you do anything other than check 5th street?

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

raise turn call a shove

as played i check behind. No worse hand will call you. (well at partypoker it is bet / fold)

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

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raise somewhere before the river jebus

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Flop/turn line is perfectly fine imo.

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I agree. also bet river.

If you look at this from villains view:

1. When he has a 9 our hand usually looks like overpair or better, occasionally 77 and FD too. So why would he check here?

2. When he doesnt have a 9 our hand looks like above but he ccan now add trips to our range and its obvious he's scared shitless, so we should make a smallish bet to induce calls from TT-QQ.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

I raise the turn.

As played I check the river.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

Easy valuebet???

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I raise the turn.

As played I check the river.

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Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

As played easy bet and let him snapcall with his midpair and lose.

I just get allin before river though.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

easy valuebet here if you don't raise the turn

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

$70-$75 checking is not good

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

well played you don't gotta raise, now just put out half the pot on the river

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

If you push the river you'll get called mostly by hands that beat you. If you bet less than push and then call a push, same thing. If you bet less than push and then fold to a push, you are folding getting about 5:1 is a big pot where you could have the best hand, and that's very bad. If you check behind, you potentially lose value. None of these options are good.

A pot sized raise on the turn is basically pushing, and when you push the villain gets about 1.8:1 on a call for all his money. It's possible he is already ahead of you and if he's not he's probably on a gutshot maybe with a pair. Those hands aren't going to call a push all the time. Another likely hand for him is an overpair like JJ-TT or maybe QQ, but they often 3 bet preflop and when they don't they will frequently fold to a turn push. So the majority of the hands that call a turn push are straights &amp; trips, so that's not great either.

You could raise the flop and that will end the hand a lot of the time. But you could also end up in a spot where you either win small pot or lose a big one because when he re-raises you he's usually ahead. If you fold then you're again in a spot where you're folding getting decent odds in a big pot.

But if you go all the way back to preflop and raise more there, it will make the pot much larger. If you make it $12 instead of $8 and the hand plays out in basically the same way, villain will bet about 20 on the flop &amp; 50 on the turn, leaving 114 in the pot and you with 168 behind. Here you can easily push and give villain 2.5:1, which a lot of hands that are behind will call, including JJ and gutshot+pair combos.

So I'd raise more preflop &amp; as played check the river behind.

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If you push the river you'll get called mostly by hands that beat you. If you bet less than push and then call a push, same thing. If you bet less than push and then fold to a push, you are folding getting about 5:1 is a big pot where you could have the best hand, and that's very bad. If you check behind, you potentially lose value. None of these options are good.

A pot sized raise on the turn is basically pushing, and when you push the villain gets about 1.8:1 on a call for all his money. It's possible he is already ahead of you and if he's not he's probably on a gutshot maybe with a pair. Those hands aren't going to call a push all the time. Another likely hand for him is an overpair like JJ-TT or maybe QQ, but they often 3 bet preflop and when they don't they will frequently fold to a turn push. So the majority of the hands that call a turn push are straights &amp; trips, so that's not great either.

You could raise the flop and that will end the hand a lot of the time. But you could also end up in a spot where you either win small pot or lose a big one because when he re-raises you he's usually ahead. If you fold then you're again in a spot where you're folding getting decent odds in a big pot.

But if you go all the way back to preflop and raise more there, it will make the pot much larger. If you make it $12 instead of $8 and the hand plays out in basically the same way, villain will bet about 20 on the flop &amp; 50 on the turn, leaving 114 in the pot and you with 168 behind. Here you can easily push and give villain 2.5:1, which a lot of hands that are behind will call, including JJ and gutshot+pair combos.

So I'd raise more preflop &amp; as played check the river behind.

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If you push the river you'll get called mostly by hands that beat you. If you bet less than push and then call a push, same thing. If you bet less than push and then fold to a push, you are folding getting about 5:1 is a big pot where you could have the best hand, and that's very bad. If you check behind, you potentially lose value. None of these options are good.

A pot sized raise on the turn is basically pushing, and when you push the villain gets about 1.8:1 on a call for all his money. It's possible he is already ahead of you and if he's not he's probably on a gutshot maybe with a pair. Those hands aren't going to call a push all the time. Another likely hand for him is an overpair like JJ-TT or maybe QQ, but they often 3 bet preflop and when they don't they will frequently fold to a turn push. So the majority of the hands that call a turn push are straights &amp; trips, so that's not great either.

You could raise the flop and that will end the hand a lot of the time. But you could also end up in a spot where you either win small pot or lose a big one because when he re-raises you he's usually ahead. If you fold then you're again in a spot where you're folding getting decent odds in a big pot.

But if you go all the way back to preflop and raise more there, it will make the pot much larger. If you make it $12 instead of $8 and the hand plays out in basically the same way, villain will bet about 20 on the flop &amp; 50 on the turn, leaving 114 in the pot and you with 168 behind. Here you can easily push and give villain 2.5:1, which a lot of hands that are behind will call, including JJ and gutshot+pair combos.

So I'd raise more preflop &amp; as played check the river behind.

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I think if you make it 12 preflop then your gonna end the hand right there also.

Youve under-repped your hand alot here, cos of that I think a half sized value bet is a must, it looks like he is going for a river check call with some sort of pp

I think i'd have raised somewhere though, flop&gt;turn for me.

Re: KK what do you do on river?
 

I would probably check here because i do not see him calling you with a worse hand and being check raised here would be terrible for the most part i check here most of the time but i do bet here sometimes if i think villain is capable of making brave calls.