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warrantofice 08-19-2007 10:17 AM

100NL KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
I just arrived at this table and i don't have any tracking software.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($99)
CO ($108)
Button ($103.85)
SB ($46.25)
BB ($63.30)
UTG ($66.25)
UTG+1 ($107.30)
MP1 ($187.85)
MP2 ($62.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, UTG+1 calls $5.

Turn: ($28.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, CO folds, UTG+1 calls $10.

River: ($48.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $48.50

BT2 08-19-2007 10:20 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
horrible

warrantofice 08-19-2007 10:23 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
So, i flopped a set on a farely safe board. I explain why i played it so slowly and you can critique my play.

So i flop really huge against to flat caller. I figured at this point because it was a rainbow board that i could slow down a bit. So i bet 5 which was a bit weak but the only cards i didn't want to see were a jack or a 10 so 8 outs. I guess i should have bet 10 but i wanted to keep any weak pairs involved. Then the turn was a good card which made it impossible for a flush, so i still wanted to keep everyone in the hand, i bet 10. the river was another blank and i checked. After i realized that i really should have bet here but for some reason i was affraid that UTG was possibly slow playing a 10,J and thinking that now just makes it seem even the more rediculous. so i guess its just an ugly hand and lets forget about it.

i would like to know how you would have bet every street though.

Teddie 08-19-2007 10:26 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
Raise to $5 preflop. Bet $10 on the flop. Bet $20 on the turn.

Basically. just keep betting close to the pot so you can shove the river.

Why did you play the hand this was? You bet far too little on every street and why did you check behind on the river?

Edit - I posted this before you 2nd post.


There's no way a player is going to check the river with JT after you showed such weakness, he will presume you will check behind. There's no point is slowplaying hands waiting for people to catch a hand, because by the time they catch it the pot is too small to make any kind of decent money from the hand anyway or else they end up catching a better hand then yours.

EN09 08-19-2007 10:34 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
Gotta admit. Even I can see the flop bet is nowhere near enough. And the river check after the action we've seen? You simply must get value out of your set of K's when you get'em. What'd UTG+1 show? A weak Ace? AT?

* Invest in PT and PAHUD.

Kos13 08-19-2007 10:59 AM

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Dalek 08-19-2007 11:25 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
$10 on flop, $25 on turn, all-in river

Don't be scared of the nuts all the time.

random50 08-19-2007 11:51 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
There is no need to slowplay that board. It's perfect for a 2 pair vs set payoff, a dubious call by AJ, A 10 or a very unlucky player holding QQ. AA reraises you pretty much every time preflop, and 10 J...well that just gets filed in the "[censored] happens" folder.

If they both fold to a large bet on the flop (which they may very well do) then you probably weren't going to get much action with small bets either.

CalledDownLight 08-19-2007 03:27 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
$10 on flop, 2/3 pot on turn, rest on river. Yep, the game is that easy kids.

ayurice 08-19-2007 04:43 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
You're playing this hand scared... way too scared. Move down in limits if you're having trouble committing the right amount of money to each street.

Johnes Benjamin 08-19-2007 06:02 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
This lacks any logic. Betting bigger on every street is preferable, but if you were trying to get paid off by lesser hands or get him to bluff raise you its understandable; not good, but understandable.
You absolutely can't play it this way and check down the river, it makes no sense.

PS-Is this Jennifer Tilly?

skydancing8 08-19-2007 07:37 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
Uninstall Full Tilt?

mce86 08-19-2007 07:45 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
WTF?

soah 08-19-2007 07:48 PM

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Setzy 08-20-2007 01:51 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
Four simple steps.

$5 to go preflop.
3/4 - 4/5 pot flop.
3/4 pot turn.
Get as much as possible in on river.

CalledDownLight 08-20-2007 02:05 AM

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Uninstall Full Tilt?

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this made me lol

skydancing8 08-20-2007 03:09 AM

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Uninstall Full Tilt?

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this made me lol

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I was going to be sad if nobody else laughed as much as I did.

effang 08-20-2007 11:25 AM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
burn money, it's faster.

AlexB182 08-20-2007 11:58 AM

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$10 on flop, 2/3 pot on turn, rest on river. Yep, the game is that easy kids.

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Hope you get called down all they way and get yourself some tracking software!

AlexB182 08-20-2007 12:00 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
LOL Jennifer Tilly...

CalledDownLight 08-20-2007 04:54 PM

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$10 on flop, 2/3 pot on turn, rest on river. Yep, the game is that easy kids.

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Hope you get called down all they way and get yourself some tracking software!

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huh? If I get called down all the way I don't see the problem. I actually enjoy taking stacks. I just got PAhud, but pokertracker [censored] freezes my computer so i can't import hands during a session. Are you saying that 3 bareels AI is not the right play?

Mike Kelley 08-20-2007 04:58 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
I vaguely remember having some problem like that when I first got Pokertracker years ago. I suggest posting on their forum, the developer is quite good about answering questions. pokertracker pat.

AlexB182 08-20-2007 07:15 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
Sorry. What I meant was: I'm glad to play with such a hand for a pot as big as possible.

Raised2Win 08-20-2007 08:20 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
When u flop a big hand, your #1 priority is to WIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. With this particular flop people wont fold pair of aces easily so your strategy is to try to bet everything u got and as soon as possible so there wont be no action killer cards.

Bet little bigger on flop, bet little more on turn and get the rest in on the river. You have to be batshit insane not to bet that river.

And if u are coming here posting this hand because u checked the river and the guy was trapping with nuts you are an idiot.

rdrr 08-20-2007 08:29 PM

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And if u are coming here posting this hand because u checked the river and the guy was trapping with nuts you are an idiot.

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I can't possibly see how this is not the case.

Yo'Maha 08-20-2007 09:16 PM

Re: KK Missed Value and Passive Play
 
I guess I'm the only one who can see the logic of the river play here - ONCE HE'S THERE?

I would have pushed him harder on all streets and made my $$$ before the river card came out.....

But once you're here - and he checks to you - I'm not sure what worse hand calls the river push.............

I like the check if I find myself here. I like the fact that I don't find myself here very often even better.

CalledDownLight 08-21-2007 12:17 AM

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I guess I'm the only one who can see the logic of the river play here - ONCE HE'S THERE?

I would have pushed him harder on all streets and made my $$$ before the river card came out.....

But once you're here - and he checks to you - I'm not sure what worse hand calls the river push.............

I like the check if I find myself here. I like the fact that I don't find myself here very often even better.

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There is no correct logic to the river play. The only way you shouldn't bet the river is if he shows you J10 or AA and then you should open fold face up for metagame.


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