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Sad, more than anything else. No point in piling on anymore, although it's certainly time for a hard look at David Leadbetter's role in this disaster.

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Agreed, it is really sad. As big as the mental game is in golf...hopefully she can turn it around.

Speaking of, what ever happened to Ty Tryon?

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A brief googling seemed to indicate he slipped under w/out a ripple. He had rich parents & he's about 21 now. I imagine he's at college somewhere, nailing mega-hotties while working towards some type of business degree.

But I don't think anyone ever thought he had the potential of Wie, or even some of the guys Tiger played in college & the US Am. I think his Q School win was just one of those six-sigma things; ruined any chance for the Tour he had by taking college golf out of the picture. Plus he got really sick w/mono too, IIRC.

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photoshop?

http://www.golfdigest.com/images/mag...maar01_wie.jpg

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Brutal but honest article. Not the type of thing I'm used to from a golf publication. That probably speaks to how bad the situation is.

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Variance. She was running too hot before and things are now evening out.

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You either play too much poker or too little golf.

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Not a lot of substance in that article - just playing on people's perceptions and throwing out various theories. Did her old coach really say she is lacking "mojo"?

Yeah, she was probably too young, but it's not like she's washed up. She might dissappear for a couple years at Stanford, but I think she'll be fine.

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Agreed, it is really sad. As big as the mental game is in golf...hopefully she can turn it around.

Speaking of, what ever happened to Ty Tryon?

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He invested his money well, and is basically set. Still trying to make it to the PGA Tour.

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"Photo Illustration"

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Newsflash, this was a tough one to come up with, but .... she's simply not that good.

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Newsflash, this was a tough one to come up with, but .... she's simply not that good.

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She's got six Top 5 finishes in majors. She missed the cut at men's tour events. She was ranked #2 in the world. I'd say she was pretty good. She may not be good at THIS moment, but I'd say in general she's still pretty good and has huge potential. Between the injuries and picked the wrong person to revamp her swing (David Leadbetter), she's definitely not at her best at the moment.

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She does have huge potential, but that initial women's golf world ranking was a complete farce. No way she should have been #2, she hadn't won anything. The rankings were tweaked and she dropped like a stone.

If she would grow up a bit and concentrate solely on LPGA events like every other female, I believe she could turn this around. Naturally she needs to be healthy first.

BO

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Rankins system is very flawed. She didn't just "miss the cut" at men's events, she missed numerous cuts, some by huge margins, and withdrew in other events. She has shot nightmares of rounds in the past 12 months on the LPGA, and she has 0 wins to her credit.

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"Shooting 88 is not what I think about."


ROFL, sure it isn't.

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lol, the hate mongering continues by the people who would most likely get there's asses whopped on by the spoiled little girl.

she didn't create the rankings, ask for the endorsements or request the sponsor exemptions.

learn who to hate.

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Her parents?

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ask for the endorsements or request the sponsor exemptions.

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Oh, so she was forced to sign the contracts and play in the events?

And what does her being able to beat 99% of golfers have to do with the subject of this article?

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Oh, so she was forced to sign the contracts and play in the events?

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are you saying you would have turned them down given the position she was in?

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And what does her being able to beat 99% of golfers have to do with the subject of this article?

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because 99% of the golfers here suck and have no place to offer an opinion about what a someone light years ahead of them in ability should and shouldn't do?

yes...that's why.

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Oh, so she was forced to sign the contracts and play in the events?

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are you saying you would have turned them down given the position she was in?

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Of course not, but I would be prepared to face the criticism when I didn't live up to the hype that got me those endorsements in the first place.

And LOL at the second argument...so I can't criticize an NFL QB because I am not as good? I can't laugh at a wild pitch because I'm not able to throw a 98 mph pitch? Right.

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Michelle Wie is a joke. I know all the people who like her say she has finished in the top 5 in majors and all that bs, but if you look at what she has done lately, it is pathetic. I strongly believe that she was a better player when we were first made aware of her when she was in her early teens. Since she has turned pro her game has gone downhill. I have read articles before where she has basically said that she is only interested in making the most money, even if she isnt the best. So obviously she wont do well if this is her attitude. Before she turned pro, she wasnt a dominant player in junior golf like Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel, who dominated junior golf and actually won more than a couple tournaments before deciding to turn pro.

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Michelle Wie is a joke. I know all the people who like her say she has finished in the top 5 in majors and all that bs, but if you look at what she has done lately, it is pathetic. I strongly believe that she was a better player when we were first made aware of her when she was in her early teens. Since she has turned pro her game has gone downhill. I have read articles before where she has basically said that she is only interested in making the most money, even if she isnt the best. So obviously she wont do well if this is her attitude. Before she turned pro, she wasnt a dominant player in junior golf like Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel, who dominated junior golf and actually won more than a couple tournaments before deciding to turn pro.

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lol, yes, junior golf taught Morgan to cry on the course whenever faced with adversity, letdown or disappointment.

gg Morgan & junior golf!!

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she didn't create the rankings, ask for the endorsements or request the sponsor exemptions.

learn who to hate.

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True on points 1 and 2, however on point 3 there is the fact that she did not have to take the exemptions offered her. This is where the vast majority of the hate comes from. She doesn't belong on the PGA Tour, she doesn't have the talent for the PGA Tour. And yes, I hate the sponsors as well for turning tournaments into a freak sideshow for the sole purpose of selling more tickets, not promoting great golf.

And I am allowed to hate since she is taking spots away from friends who are more deserving players. Only problem is they don't have breasts and cute dangly earrings.

BO

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she didn't create the rankings, ask for the endorsements or request the sponsor exemptions.

learn who to hate.

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True on points 1 and 2, however on point 3 there is the fact that she did not have to take the exemptions offered her. This is where the vast majority of the hate comes from. She doesn't belong on the PGA Tour, she doesn't have the talent for the PGA Tour. And yes, I hate the sponsors as well for turning tournaments into a freak sideshow for the sole purpose of selling more tickets, not promoting great golf.

And I am allowed to hate since she is taking spots away from friends who are more deserving players. Only problem is they don't have breasts and cute dangly earrings.

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so if you where offered an exemption tomorrow to play in Barclays, you would turn it down right? Because your 'friends' are more deserving right?

get real.

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-last Thursday - 203 yd bunkered Par 3 into gusty wind
The other women are hitting hybrids and 7woods and it's a crap shoot 'cause of the wind. I'm standing 5 yards behind the tee shots.
Wie pulls out an iron(4?), takes a divot(!), and hits a low stinger RIGHT at the hole - 10feet away - awesome.
A few holes later 325 drive down the middle.
Some bad tee shots and poor putting, though.

-She's only 17 gang.

-She just missed PGA cuts when she was 15 and 16.

-She probably broke her wrist earlier this year.

-There's no doubt she's had some bad direction in the past.
She should have won a dozen junior tournies to give her the feel.

-Maybe Stanford is what she needs.
Putting(so important), motivation, consistancy, good coaching, some confidence and watch out.
She COULD do it.

-There were 2 big crowds on Thursday afternoon.
Wie and the amazing Ochoa.

-If Wei was doing well and contending on the weekend I'd have followed her both days.

-She's 17 years old...


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so if you where offered an exemption tomorrow to play in Barclays, you would turn it down right? Because your 'friends' are more deserving right?

get real.

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I would most certainly turn down an invite to the Kraft Nabisco as I do not belong and have the common sense to realize that. Wie and her camp do not. Hate.

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so if you where offered an exemption tomorrow to play in Barclays, you would turn it down right? Because your 'friends' are more deserving right?

get real.

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I would most certainly turn down an invite to the Kraft Nabisco as I do not belong and have the common sense to realize that. Wie and her camp do not. Hate.

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wrong question, but that's ok, i know you are afraid to honestly answer the actual question.

people like you are not real bright when faced like situations like this.

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wrong question, but that's ok, i know you are afraid to honestly answer the actual question.

people like you are not real bright when faced like situations like this.

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No, I answered the right question. You asked the wrong question. Do you hear any hate at all when she was given exemptions to the LPGA events? No. None. Because she could compete and almost won. The hate stems from her playing in PGA events where she has no chance, place or purpose other than being a freak sideshow.

Would even you not agree that she has no business playing in PGA Tour events? Because that's what this whole thing is all about. However if you think she should be playing in PGA events, then you also think it's OK for me to be playing in events such as the Kraft Nabisco.

BO

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wrong question, but that's ok, i know you are afraid to honestly answer the actual question.

people like you are not real bright when faced like situations like this.

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No, I answered the right question. You asked the wrong question. Do you hear any hate at all when she was given exemptions to the LPGA events? No. None. Because she could compete and almost won. The hate stems from her playing in PGA events where she has no chance, place or purpose other than being a freak sideshow.

Would even you not agree that she has no business playing in PGA Tour events? Because that's what this whole thing is all about. However if you think she should be playing in PGA events, then you also think it's OK for me to be playing in events such as the Kraft Nabisco.

BO

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you have no idea what you are talking about.

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BO,

Bi-Tor is a professional troll. You are merely angry. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Ignore him for your own sake, he feeds on noob posters like you who don't know any better.

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Only problem is they don't have breasts

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The good news is that this means that at least Mickelson can always count on sponsors exemptions if his game really falls apart.

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Delted my own dumb post

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wrong question, but that's ok, i know you are afraid to honestly answer the actual question.

people like you are not real bright when faced like situations like this.

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No, I answered the right question. You asked the wrong question. Do you hear any hate at all when she was given exemptions to the LPGA events? No. None. Because she could compete and almost won. The hate stems from her playing in PGA events where she has no chance, place or purpose other than being a freak sideshow.

Would even you not agree that she has no business playing in PGA Tour events? Because that's what this whole thing is all about. However if you think she should be playing in PGA events, then you also think it's OK for me to be playing in events such as the Kraft Nabisco.

BO

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Wait. So she should accept the LPGA invite but turn down the PGA because she can compete on the LPGA but not the PGA, right? But YOU would turn down the LPGA but not the PGA? So it would be easier for you to compete in the Barclays Classic than the Nabisco?

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wrong question, but that's ok, i know you are afraid to honestly answer the actual question.

people like you are not real bright when faced like situations like this.

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No, I answered the right question. You asked the wrong question. Do you hear any hate at all when she was given exemptions to the LPGA events? No. None. Because she could compete and almost won. The hate stems from her playing in PGA events where she has no chance, place or purpose other than being a freak sideshow.

Would even you not agree that she has no business playing in PGA Tour events? Because that's what this whole thing is all about. However if you think she should be playing in PGA events, then you also think it's OK for me to be playing in events such as the Kraft Nabisco.

BO

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Wait. So she should accept the LPGA invite but turn down the PGA because she can compete on the LPGA but not the PGA, right? But YOU would turn down the LPGA but not the PGA? So it would be easier for you to compete in the Barclays Classic than the Nabisco?

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Doesn't the LPGA also state that you have to be female to play in their events?
The PGA does not have this rule.

BO, are you female?

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Getting back on track, I've suspected for a long time that the main problem with Wie are her parents. I think that's why she is so eager to attend Stanford. It's a ruse to get away from her parents.

Think about it, most high school kids look at college as a chance to get out on their own. If Wie were to just go straight to playing professionally full-time she'd still be traveling and dealing with her parents. She sees college as a way to escape her parents, to get group of friends and to have some independence.

It's kinda sad really. At 17 she's kinda stuck with what she has and it's almost impossible for her to escape it.

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Getting back on track, I've suspected for a long time that the main problem with Wie are her parents. I think that's why she is so eager to attend Stanford. It's a ruse to get away from her parents.

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I'm not even paying much attention to her anymore and this has a distinct whiff of Todd Marijuanavich / Jennifer Capriati. I think the odds of her succeeding at the pro level in the future is no greater than her being caught in a hotel with crack rock and a bagful of Big Macs.

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Getting back on track, I've suspected for a long time that the main problem with Wie are her parents. I think that's why she is so eager to attend Stanford. It's a ruse to get away from her parents.

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I agree. Nothing screams dysfunction like going out of state to Stanfurd.

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It's kinda sad really. At 17 she's kinda stuck with what she has and it's almost impossible for her to escape it.

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Your powers of empathy are remarkable. I have a tough time feeling sorry for her. At the end of her current contract, she'll likely be in the top one or two all time earners her sport has ever see-- assuming she doesn't earn another contract. In 2006 she made twice in a two week junket to Korea what the leading money winner on the LPGA made on tour for the year.

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Dear Michelle,

Let me know if you need a Stanford tour guide come October.

All the best,

Sucker

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Bi-Tor is a professional troll. You are merely angry. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Ignore him for your own sake, he feeds on noob posters like you who don't know any better.

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Both Phil and Monty could get lots of exemptions based on their breasts, no doubt.

Last I checked I was male.

I know the U.S. Women's Open has a clause stating you must be female at birth to compete, I'm not 100% about the LPGA Tour itself though it probably does have a similar clause.

Here's a thought along those lines, if the PGA invoked a clause that you must be male to compete, would that constitute gender discrimination? No doubt some would raise a fuss regardless.

If Wie gets her head together and starts acting like a professional and plays with her own gender, then I believe I could learn to root for her. The sad part is that she is probably acting like any other teenager but thrown into an adult world without the wherewithall to compete mentally.

BO

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Here's a thought along those lines, if the PGA invoked a clause that you must be male to compete, would that constitute gender discrimination? No doubt some would raise a fuss regardless.

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yep, knew this was where your ultimate issues was. of course it makes sense for the LPGA to limit, but not the PGA. The PGA is the 'open' division. The LPGA, juniors, Champions Tour, etc are the areas where those who cannot compete in the open division are able to fairly compete against their peers.

Put another way:
PGA = best golfers in the world
LPGA = best female golfers in the world
Champions = best 50+ golfers in the world

Do you really think it's discrimination to let Jay Haas play the US Open, but not let Tiger play the US Senior Open?

If someone is one of the best golfers in the world, they can play on the PGA Tour. And despite your whining about it, the sponsors get those exemptions to use as they see fit, within the parameters of reason. And Michelle Wie sells tickets, without which the sponsors go away, as does the PGA Tour. I'm sure your oh-so-qualified buddies can do Monday qualifying and get on, if they deserve it more than she does. If neither play their way on, then the qualifications of who 'deserves' a sponsor's exemption is up to the sponsor.