Won $ at SD NLCASH
 

I have only played 2500 NL HU hands, and am up 9 BB/100 (not a brag since God knows 2500 hands means nothing). But my question is that my "Won $ at SD" is only 43%, which obviously means I'm winning more than my share of big pots and losing more than my share of small ones.

But my question is, for a winning player is it the same as 6max where you can expect to have a "Won $ at SD" of close to 50, and preferably more like 52ish? Or does it not mean that much in HU.

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From what I've seen of others stats, don't be surprised if your won $ at sd is less than 50%, this number includes suckouts + the hands where it gets checked down to the river, etc. Doesn't seem like this is that important of a stat in HU, BB/100 is though =)

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Mine is 52.5%. Don't pay attention to it, I don't think it's very important.

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I think it can be a very interesting stat to look at but it takes a huge sample size to give any meaningful info.

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Over 94k hands of HU I have a 48.35% WSD mostly because I'm a payoff wizard (something I'm trying to get away from).

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Over 94k hands of HU I have a 48.35% WSD mostly because I'm a payoff wizard (something I'm trying to get away from).

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All good players are POWs (not joking).

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Over 94k hands of HU I have a 48.35% WSD mostly because I'm a payoff wizard (something I'm trying to get away from).

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All good players are POWs (not joking).

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48% WSD seems to be "ideal" if there is such a thing. I still will go to showdown a lot HU, but there's a few spots where calling is just awful.

Here's probably one of the worst hands I've played in months:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (BB): $311.75
SB: $660.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, SB calls $14.00

Flop: ($40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, SB calls $35.00

Turn: ($110) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $80.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $605.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $176.75
Uncalled bet of $348.25 returned to SB

River: ($623.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $623.50 ($0.50 Rake)

SB had 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a straight, Eight high) and WON (+$311.25)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Fives) and LOST (-$311.75)


Worst thing about it is that I said to myself "lead turn, fold to push" Dunno why I called.

Re: Won $ at SD NLCASH
 

A lot depends on your style of play. Players that regularly fire two or three barrels will win tons of pots without showdown, have a low to mid 40s W$SD% number, but will still be winning at a good rate. Tighter, more passive players may win 52%+ showdowns but have a lower winrate due to losing so many smaller pots when they fold. And then there's the checked down pots which are basically coinflips but if you're running bad then some days you can't even win those, vice versa if you're running hot. Basically I don't think the number means that much unless it's really extreme over a large sample.

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48% here

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Over 94k hands of HU I have a 48.35% WSD mostly because I'm a payoff wizard (something I'm trying to get away from).

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All good players are POWs (not joking).

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48% WSD seems to be "ideal" if there is such a thing. I still will go to showdown a lot HU, but there's a few spots where calling is just awful.

Here's probably one of the worst hands I've played in months:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (BB): $311.75
SB: $660.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, SB calls $14.00

Flop: ($40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, SB calls $35.00

Turn: ($110) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $80.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $605.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $176.75
Uncalled bet of $348.25 returned to SB

River: ($623.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $623.50 ($0.50 Rake)

SB had 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a straight, Eight high) and WON (+$311.25)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Fives) and LOST (-$311.75)


Worst thing about it is that I said to myself "lead turn, fold to push" Dunno why I called.

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Yeah that's a pretty big problem for POW's, haha. We have a plan, but when something happens, our discipline is questioned.

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All good players are POWs (not joking).

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Sorry for the sidetrack, but would you mind expanding on this comment a little?

Sometimes I think I'm paying off too often with strong hands on scary boards, calling big bets on the river with a set or 2 pair on a 4 straight or a 4 flush (or 4 straight AND 4 flush) board.

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All good players are POWs (not joking).

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Sorry for the sidetrack, but would you mind expanding on this comment a little?

Sometimes I think I'm paying off too often with strong hands on scary boards, calling big bets on the river with a set or 2 pair on a 4 straight or a 4 flush (or 4 straight AND 4 flush) board.

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Hard to explain just something Ive noticed, most players whose games I really respect think of themselves as POWs (or whatever vocab they use), if I were to guess its because they visualize hand ranges better than most and understand you dont have to win every time you call.

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Worst thing about it is that I said to myself "lead turn, fold to push" Dunno why I called.

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I do this way too often and I have no idea why

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I personally don't think w$sd is too important. If my winrate is high, I must be doing something right.

A word on POWs. If anyone reads Brian Townsends blog (aba20,sbrugby) you'll have seen that he said a couple weeks ago that a trait of a good player is WHY they call. He gave an example of having A8 on a 2KQ84 (or somethign like that) board. The A8 potted pre otb, then flop was chk/pot/call, turn was chk/chk, and river villain led for pot. He said that most people who have qj here say "i have a pair of q's i call" but they'll fold A8, when in fact both hands only beat a bluff, because most villains wont vbet a q on the river.

This is very sound advice. Calling w/ two pair when there is four to a straight or four a flush on the board is a call that can obviously only beat a bluff. But if you call w/ 2p here will you call w/ tptk? Probably not.

When I make questionable plays I question myself what I would do with hands right above or below the one I have. If I would just call w/ tptk, but raise with bottom two pairs, then there is a problem because those hands have the same relative strength.

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that 48% comes up for a lot for winning regs. i still don't put much stock in it though

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I'm at 46% over 100k hands at 1/2-3/6 with a winrate of about 7ptbb/100.

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that 48% comes up for a lot for winning regs. i still don't put much stock in it though

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I totally agree.

I met one of the better players I've seen in a while and he was 76/20. He played very well after the flop... just goes to say that there are no cookie-cutter stats you should be aiming for.

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I'm at 46% over 100k hands at 1/2-3/6 with a winrate of about 7ptbb/100.

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Imagine if you didn't have gems like this...

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero: $470.50
imfatandugly: $201.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">imfatandugly raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, imfatandugly calls $14.00

Flop: ($40) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, <font color="red">imfatandugly raises all-in to $181.00</font>, Hero calls $146.00

Turn: ($402) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($402) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $402.00 ($0.50 Rake)

imfatandugly had 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Threes) and WON (+$200.50)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Threes) and LOST (-$201.00)