Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $31.40
BB: $17.95
UTG: $25.55
MP: $27.65
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $48.60

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is running 30/5/5, and haven't really tangled with him a whole lot.

I've been one of the more active players at the table from late position, trying to isolate the fish in the BB. But I've shown down several big hands when the money got to showdown. And am running like 27/24 over about 80 hands.</font>

I think this kind of discussion really brings out some interesting lines to play with a hand like this, we'll go street by street and discuss the merits of raising/calling/folding...

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

RAISE flop is to drawy to slowplay...

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Raise to at least $4.50.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

I like to raise to $3. The plan would be to put in another $10 on a safe turn and the rest on the river regardless (that would be about $17 in a $29 pot on the river, so we are committing by betting the turn)

If we raise less its hard to commit on a safe turn and get it in by the river. If we raise more we lose more the times the turn is unsafe.

Of course when we get unexpected action we are proceeding cautiously.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Go ahead and flame, but on boards like this I often wait to raise the turn if a card comes that doesn't complete any of the draws here...btw this may be a leak, but would like to hear some opinion for either way.

What is heros line on the turn??

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.25</font>

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Too bad we didn't raise the flop. SB is either valuebetting small or pricing himself in. I feel the bets are weak and we are ahead most of the time.

I raise to $9 and fold to a reraise. We will be left with about $20 effective stacks in a $22.50 pot on the river to get it allin.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Flop is an ABSOLUTE raise.
Turn, I feel raising is now more expensive to see where we are standing,in case he has a real hand, but I would still raise it and bump it to something like 7. If called I check behind him on the river and reevaluate if he bets.
I think calling would not be terrible, but I prefer raising.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

WRT to waiting for the turn,

This is a play I ahve advoated in certain situations. It will allow us to exploit a bigger equity edge and should doom come, we can release.

i.e. A FD has 33 equity on the flop, 20 on the turn, making ours higher. Its more of a limit play, and I only use it occusionally, probably against a solid player not against a station.

However, I use it only occusionally, and dont like it here, Im bombing this flop and then getting AI on the turn.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Fist pump and raise.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

[ QUOTE ]
WRT to waiting for the turn,

This is a play I ahve advoated in certain situations. It will allow us to exploit a bigger equity edge and should doom come, we can release.

i.e. A FD has 33 equity on the flop, 20 on the turn, making ours higher. Its more of a limit play, and I only use it occusionally, probably against a solid player not against a station.

However, I use it only occusionally, and dont like it here, Im bombing this flop and then getting AI on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, my normal line is to raise a drawy flop like this, but so far this one had been pretty passive in all our pots together. Pretty much check fold.

As played what is our action on the turn?? Because this is where the hand actually gets interesting for me.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Going to bed, will post further action tomorrow, so we can get the day crews vibes on the hand as well

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Calling this flop was not too bad for the reasons EMc explained, but it makes it hard to get the maximum out of this if we're ahead, that is the biggest reason to bet this flop IMO. We want weaker hands, including draws to call, because we're ahead and want to stack them.

Also: what if 6d comes and villain bets? Do we just fold? Just calling here might induce a bluff on these scarecards and it's not a bluff we can easily pick off here. Villain will think twice when we raised this flop before he attempts a bluff.

Raising to $9 and betting the rest on the river will get it all in still. Of course if he 3bets this turn we are giving him credit for a bigger hand than ours.

I like a flop bet more, because we can keep more weaker hands in when we don't have to raise this much on the turn to get it in on the river. If we raise this turn and are called it's a lot harder to put the rest in on the river. We are commited though and should. Those few bucks on the flop would make the rest of the hand play a lot easyer.


This makes me think about something else (no intention to hijack here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]). Playing AA on the turn is actually easyer OOP. The hands we are ahead of will probably fold/call and the others might raise. While if we had position, she bets and we raise, we are being called by both some weaker hands and stronger hands, since it takes a huge hand to reraise for most villains.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $31.40
BB: $17.95
UTG: $25.55
MP: $27.65
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $48.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, SB calls $6.75

River: ($22.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8.25</font>

Ok, I've raised the turn here, and he called down after a scare card popped. I realize I'm getting sick odds to call here, and this might just be a blocking bet(doubt it with this villain, but maybe), where do we see the best value, call/raise/fold???

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Gotta raise the flop.

As played call the river.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

raise flop, raise turn, call river

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

no point on raising the river, call

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

Thnks for the replies, villain had 87s, for flopped 2pair rivered boat...looking at the feedback, raising flop is probably best in most situations.

I was just thrown off by villain leading the flop, since he had generally played for a C/R type line with big hands so far.

Re: Lets Play along...I have Rockets and a Fish just led out??25nl
 

flop is a huge huge leak