Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)
 

I posted this on PocketFives yesterday and I was just curious to see what you guys think as well.

PokerStars Game #11474775826: Tournament #57897765, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/08/13 - 21:39:32 (ET)
Table '57897765 3' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Randers (6015 in chips)
Seat 2: THE__D__RY (8948 in chips)
Seat 3: Tmay420 (14392 in chips)
Seat 4: bastet2004 (7170 in chips)
Seat 5: plattsburgh (3471 in chips)
Seat 6: apestyles (17459 in chips)
Seat 7: Roothlus (21890 in chips)
Seat 8: jpapola (11525 in chips)
Seat 9: bd3109 (7405 in chips)
Randers: posts the ante 25
THE__D__RY: posts the ante 25
Tmay420: posts the ante 25
bastet2004: posts the ante 25
plattsburgh: posts the ante 25
apestyles: posts the ante 25
Roothlus: posts the ante 25
jpapola: posts the ante 25
bd3109: posts the ante 25
apestyles: posts small blind 150
Roothlus: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roothlus [8c 8s]
jpapola: folds
bd3109: folds
Randers: folds
THE__D__RY: folds
Tmay420: folds
bastet2004: folds
plattsburgh: folds
apestyles: raises 900 to 1200

Both of us have pretty healthy stacks and I know Apestyles can be a loose cannon at times but he hasn't done anything out of line yet. We haven't tussled much but I do think he thinks he can run over me. Also what is his 4xing range here? How am I supposed to approach this spot? I don't really like smooth calling but with both our stacks so deep, reraising doesn't seem great either. It just seems like a really sketchy spot.

What's your approach?

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i sat to apestyles' left for like an hour and a half in a tourney about 2 weeks ago. that was my only experience with him (obvi know who he is though) directly. with that said, he showed down a total of 0 cards.

i vote push/call/raise/fold/call time/time out/sit out next hand/uncheck auto post blinds.

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in poker, anyone can win

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3250

rationale: he can't 4 bet you light because it would obviously be a huge error to put 60 bets with say, 22 here . There's no real amount he can reraise that doesn't commit him, so this awkward stack size helps you. So if he 4 bets you here, you are probably crushed, unless this is a $200r where people are batshit crazy and will 4bet with any two.

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I would probably coldcall here

If i reraised im not planning to fold if apestlyes shoves though.

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Call and flop a set.

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i think raise/fold is superior

obviously it depends on his range, if he is really tight for 4x-ing here, you are just going to get 4bet insta. in that case, calling is good because you can flop a set and stack his tight range easily.

but probably he has something you are good against. if you raise/fold you lose less to hands that crush you, which is a plus.

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Oh and roothlus, MTT community is where ppl post random stuff about mtts, sweat threads etc - there is a 'high stakes MTT' section for strategy and hands etc.

You'd get more responses/views if you posted hands in there, and his will probably be moved there anyway where a mod see it

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Call and flop a set.

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i think raise/fold is superior

obviously it depends on his range, if he is really tight for 4x-ing here, you are just going to get 4bet insta. in that case, calling is good because you can flop a set and stack his tight range easily.

but probably he has something you are good against. if you raise/fold you lose less to hands that crush you, which is a plus.

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raise/fold is without a doubt, the absolute worst of the options possible, falling behind folding to the 1200, and min 3betting.

4k and call a shove would be my standard here, though I dont mind calling.

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Call and flop a set.

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i sat to apestyles' left for like an hour and a half in a tourney about 2 weeks ago. that was my only experience with him (obvi know who he is though) directly. with that said, he showed down a total of 0 cards.

i vote push/call/raise/fold/call time/time out/sit out next hand/uncheck auto post blinds.

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so basically when someone is good you just go out of your way to play worse vs them and hand them your chips?

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Call and flop a set.

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is this implying that we are not really willing to stack off w/ 88 w/o flopping a set post flop in this spot? Cause if it is you guys are crazy.

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i think raise/fold is superior


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If you want to raise fold, wait till you have something like J2o that sucks postflop and who cares if he forces you off your huge J2. Why bother wasting a hand as strong as 88 when you have position. and just raise preflop when you either have a strong hand that u can call a push, or total crap.

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Call and flop a set.

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is this implying that we are not really willing to stack off w/ 88 w/o flopping a set post flop in this spot? Cause if it is you guys are crazy.

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I'm playing for stacks if we flop an overpair, or have some kind of straight draw.

Im calling when he cbets most flops that aren't ridic scary (i prob just fold AQT or A93hhh boards )

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I flat it as well and play poker post flop.

btw, ty for making fun of me twice in the 109.00 on stars the other day. real classless of you.

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I call a lot of the time here but I haven't played with ape in a long time.

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4k and call a shove would be my standard here, though I dont mind calling.


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exactly my thoughts

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Call and flop a set.

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is this implying that we are not really willing to stack off w/ 88 w/o flopping a set post flop in this spot? Cause if it is you guys are crazy.

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No, it's implying that we call and hit a set every time.

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Call and flop a set.

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lol, my thoughts exactly.

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Call and flop a set.

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is this implying that we are not really willing to stack off w/ 88 w/o flopping a set post flop in this spot? Cause if it is you guys are crazy.

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No, it's implying that we call and hit a set every time.

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the hand does become much easier to play if an 8ball flops.

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rooth made smae post on p5's and i made this reply. i flat call here. 1)because he is best player at table 2)he is only persono who can bust u 3) because u have position. busto soon replyed with 1),2) are reasons for reraise/calling. i think these are 3 good reasons to kkeep the pot small and not reraise what do u guys think?

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calling is without a doubt my standard

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okay sorry i am a bad player, but explain why 4k/call is good? you commit yourself with the raise (given yourself .38 for breakeven call of a shove), and if he shoves on you, you are well behind his range [?] ( < 40% ). isn't this putting yourself in a bad spot?

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okay sorry i am a bad player, but explain why 4k/call is good? you commit yourself with the raise (given yourself .38 for breakeven call of a shove), and if he shoves on you, you are well behind his range [?] ( < 40% ). isn't this putting yourself in a bad spot?

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as long as he thinks u can have garbage when u 3bet, he will think he can sometimes have folding equity. Apestyles is good but also crazy aggro. Don't be afraid to give a super aggro player rope to be super aggro even if you have a marginal hand.

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If you have an agrresive image verse ape and 3 bet frequently you can 3 bet call a shove.

If you have a tighter image then take a flop.

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It just depends what his 4-bet range is. If he's pretty aggro and expects you to be, you have to 3-bet/call.

My default against a decent tourney player would be 3-bet/call.

Calling here is a pretty big diss to apestyles. Your 3-bet range should be pretty wide here since if you make it like 4.2k you basically force him to fold or commit all 17.5k, so if he's not 4-betting light enough to make 3-bet/call here good, one of you is playing pretty bad.

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Getting 60 bbs in w/ 88, even bvb, seems really gross. I don't play w/ ape that much, but that seems like a bad line vs. a looot of players. Call is far and away the best option, imo.

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Does apestyles ever 4 bet quite light vs an aggro opponent bvb? If so i prefer 3 bet/call. If i think he's not going to get that creative this early in the tournament, i call.

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OP has a rep for being very tight thus three-bet calling is a very bad idea IMO.

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call and be fine stacking on lots of boards

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OP has a rep for being very tight thus three-bet calling is a very bad idea IMO.

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I don't play the 100r, is the standard player really loose enough to 3-bet --> call 4-bet is standard (not directed at you reg)?