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PantsOnFire 08-13-2007 02:39 PM

These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
I had KK and won this hand with the case K, which is the reason I ran this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.232% 77.13% 00.11% 1057202 1454.33 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.831% 09.40% 00.43% 128801 5960.83 { KdKh }
Hand 2: 12.937% 12.50% 00.43% 171375 5960.83 { Ks9s }

tmhartsig 08-13-2007 02:49 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
He has 4 outs, you have two.

ImsaKidd 08-13-2007 02:50 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
Flush Draws, Flush Draws.

Sphere99991 08-13-2007 02:55 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I had KK and won this hand with the case K, which is the reason I ran this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.232% 77.13% 00.11% 1057202 1454.33 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.831% 09.40% 00.43% 128801 5960.83 { KdKh }
Hand 2: 12.937% 12.50% 00.43% 171375 5960.83 { Ks9s }

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Just think for a second the ways that you can win this hand vs. the way that K9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] can win this hand. You can hit your case king, your one 4-flush, or split with K9 for the straight, that's it. K9 can win with a flush, 2 9s, QJT, or a 4-straight to his 9. He has more possibilities.

jfreels 08-13-2007 03:05 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[x] it was sooted

Windforce 08-13-2007 03:59 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I had KK and won this hand with the case K, which is the reason I ran this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.232% 77.13% 00.11% 1057202 1454.33 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.831% 09.40% 00.43% 128801 5960.83 { KdKh }
Hand 2: 12.937% 12.50% 00.43% 171375 5960.83 { Ks9s }

[/ QUOTE ]


Just think for a second the ways that you can win this hand vs. the way that K9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] can win this hand. You can hit your case king, your one 4-flush, or split with K9 for the straight, that's it. K9 can win with a flush, 2 9s, QJT, or a 4-straight to his 9. He has more possibilities.

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free strat?

Sphere99991 08-13-2007 04:00 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I had KK and won this hand with the case K, which is the reason I ran this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.232% 77.13% 00.11% 1057202 1454.33 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.831% 09.40% 00.43% 128801 5960.83 { KdKh }
Hand 2: 12.937% 12.50% 00.43% 171375 5960.83 { Ks9s }

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Just think for a second the ways that you can win this hand vs. the way that K9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] can win this hand. You can hit your case king, your one 4-flush, or split with K9 for the straight, that's it. K9 can win with a flush, 2 9s, QJT, or a 4-straight to his 9. He has more possibilities.

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free strat?

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I take donations.

tannenj 08-13-2007 04:14 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
i don't see what's unexpected about this

PantsOnFire 08-13-2007 04:14 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
I guess my dilemma is that KK vs K9s is such a dominating hand that it seems counter-intuitive that the presence of AA would all of a sudden put K9s ahead of KK.

ufknpissmeoff 08-13-2007 04:22 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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I guess my dilemma is that KK vs K9s is such a dominating hand that it seems counter-intuitive that the presence of AA would all of a sudden put K9s ahead of KK.

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Then I recommend, well that is pathetic.

tarheeljks 08-13-2007 04:24 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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i don't see what's unexpected about this

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ditto

LooseCaller 08-13-2007 04:26 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 

illegit 08-13-2007 04:34 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I guess my dilemma is that KK vs K9s is such a dominating hand that it seems counter-intuitive that the presence of AA would all of a sudden put K9s ahead of KK.

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If brilliant leveling, then bravo

If not then, no it's not at all counter-intuitive. It should be very in line with any reasonable person's intuitions.

SuperSnort 08-13-2007 04:36 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
i saw on one of the WPT season 4 tournies that Ac3c v Ah7c on a flop qc7d4c had a 30% chance of tie now thats wierd odds

rakemeplz 08-13-2007 05:03 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
You have 1 out your hand completely sucks, period.

yeah man 08-13-2007 06:19 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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i saw on one of the WPT season 4 tournies that Ac3c v Ah7c on a flop qc7d4c had a 30% chance of tie now thats wierd odds

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All I'm seeing is a turn and river of A-Q or Q-A....that's 30%? You must be mistaken.

ocdscale 08-13-2007 06:22 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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I guess my dilemma is that KK vs K9s is such a dominating hand that it seems counter-intuitive that the presence of AA would all of a sudden put K9s ahead of KK.

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A hand of poker is winner take all. It doesn't matter that KK beats K9 most of the time, because KK also has to beat AA.

Put another way, in AA v KK v K9, KK will be second best hand a ton, but first only rarely. K9 will be the weakest hand the most often out of the three, but is more likely to be first than KK is.
Since best hand is the only one that gets paid, K9 has more equity.

*Excluding splits.

PantsOnFire 08-13-2007 07:36 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
Ok, "uncle" you cutthroat probability bastards.

K9s called with 4:1 pots odds, so that was a good call right?

Dangeresque 08-13-2007 07:44 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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Ok, "uncle" you cutthroat probability bastards.

K9s called with 4:1 pots odds, so that was a good call right?

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12% < 4:1 = Bad call.

Jiganti 08-13-2007 07:49 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
[x]poll deserves an insta-bastard.

AbZurrrd 08-13-2007 08:05 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
JUST PLAY THE BOARD BABY!!!

AbZurrrd 08-13-2007 08:08 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
Note that if the board comes JQA23 you tie with K9 w/ a drunken round-da-clock brauudwayy.

keikiwai 08-13-2007 08:09 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
why do you think everyone <3 to be sooooooooooooted?


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 82.714% 82.60% 00.11% 1132234 1575.67 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.678% 09.21% 00.47% 126190 6469.17 { KdKh }
Hand 2: 07.608% 07.14% 00.47% 97816 6469.17 { Ks9h }

ImsaKidd 08-13-2007 08:24 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
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why do you think everyone <3 to be sooooooooooooted?




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FLUSH DRAWS FLUSH DRAWS LDOOOO

ikestoys 08-13-2007 08:27 PM

Re: These pf percentages are unexpected...
 
wtf at this being in bbv


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