peelz 10/20
 

Villain is grndhog25. He's playing weird but I think he's good. I saw him cold call raise reraise with AT then get it in on QTx flop. Maybe misclick?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $5,824.50
BB: $2,080.00
Hero (BTN): $4,343.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $70.00</font>, SB calls $60.00, BB folds

Flop: ($160) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $160.00</font>, Hero calls $160.00

Turn: ($480) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $360.00</font>, Hero calls $360.00

River: ($1200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $900.00</font>

what it do

Re: peelz 10/20
 

3k

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3k

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kidding?

Re: peelz 10/20
 

I cant see a set or top 2 ever folding....

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I don`t think Krantz wants his opponents to fold these hands. He`s trying to get value from worse.
Imo this is a call, but i would have liked a turn raise and fold to further action

Re: peelz 10/20
 

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I don`t think Krantz wants his opponents to fold these hands. He`s trying to get value from worse.
Imo this is a call, but i would have liked a turn raise and fold to further action

[/ QUOTE ]does any1 know if recallme really plays 1020nl? just wondering...

Re: peelz 10/20
 

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3k

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kidding?

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better than calling if opponent is thinking

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3k

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kidding?

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better than calling if opponent is thinking

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not really

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I don`t think Krantz wants his opponents to fold these hands. He`s trying to get value from worse.
Imo this is a call, but i would have liked a turn raise and fold to further action

[/ QUOTE ]does any1 know if recallme really plays 1020nl? just wondering...

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Someone named recallme playing stars atm

Re: peelz 10/20
 

I kinda like the 3k line.....

Re: peelz 10/20
 

just call

Re: peelz 10/20
 

depending on your history, i would fold or call, leaning more towards fold v. this particular opponent HU, I don't see him triple barreling much here for value with something less than AK. Calling isn't bad, though, because I guess he bluffs some % of the time here. Raising isn't great v. this opponents line, I don't think, unless it's as a bluff. His river bet is kinda fishy though, IMO.

Re: peelz 10/20
 

I do not think any 2 pair is really folding that riv, and certainly no worse hand is calling it.

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I do not think any 2 pair is really folding that riv, and certainly no worse hand is calling it.

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depending on image, yes. raising is bad, the more i think about it v. this particular villian's line. i prefer folding, I think, calling if he's getting a little out of line.

Re: peelz 10/20
 

I'm guessing if he wins it's with a flush... possible he also bet flop with 0 and hit a king.

serious WTF factor with this hand.

Re: peelz 10/20
 

weird

i'd want to know more about the dynamic between yall, but i think its a fold. your hand seems kinda faceup as a top-like pair

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i'd want to know more about the dynamic between yall, but i think its a fold. your hand seems kinda faceup as a top-like pair

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No my range is pretty big on the turn and him firing the scare card is pretty much mandatory after he makes his weirdass flop lead.

Re: peelz 10/20
 

What is ur general plan on a brick turn when he checks to you after you 'floated with what might be best hand'?

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3k

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no more brownies

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What is ur general plan on a brick turn when he checks to you after you 'floated with what might be best hand'?

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I think he should check and bet some rivers.

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What is ur general plan on a brick turn when he checks to you after you 'floated with what might be best hand'?

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Hope he gives up, call another barrel, whatevs

Re: peelz 10/20
 

seems like an easy call, i think raising would be bad and i think folding would be bad becuase he can v-bet worse obv

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3k

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no more brownies

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um ok? don't you belong in nvg or something? this is a strategy post buddy

Re: peelz 10/20
 

i dont know this particular villain but if he is thinking and if you have been in line this session then raising is the best play imo, followed by folding, with call really far behind both

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I still dont understand the raise to 3k either. At first I thought you were joking..:-?

...No worse hand is usually calling, and pretty much every better hand will/should snap call. There is no crazy history (where he expects to get looked up light), raising just seems like retardedly merging your range IMO.

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I still dont understand the raise to 3k either. At first I thought you were joking..:-?

...No worse hand is usually calling, and pretty much every better hand will/should snap call. There is no crazy history (where he expects to get looked up light), raising just seems like retardedly merging your range IMO.

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its a bluff... range merging? lol

Re: peelz 10/20
 

I keep going back to the top and rereading the hand because I have no idea what people are talking about in the responses. I call this without much thought. Obviously we'll beat a bluff pretty often here, but I also don't see why villain can't be valuebetting worse. If we raise he will sometimes fold better hands but I have a hard time seeing how its often enough to be worth it.

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Why should every better hand snap call. You are repping a flush and no other made hand, and there is no reason you couldnt have a flush......if he has KQ he is only callling to snap off a bluff and even with a set a good player is going to think about laying it down, bcs again he only beats a bluff. If you are calling off with those hands every time v. a player of KOD/Krantz's calibre you are gonna be losing money in the long run.

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not that it's a huge diff, but if you're going to bluffraise obv you should push, not 3k

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Regardless of whether most ppl should call here w/ KQ, I am simply saying they will call with it.

I really think raising is terrible, and folds out very few better hands (tho it possibly does work for a few very specific hands).

Re: peelz 10/20
 

ansky: yea agreed, trying to get someone to fold KQ or better is burning $ for sure

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I still dont understand the raise to 3k either. At first I thought you were joking..:-?

...No worse hand is usually calling, and pretty much every better hand will/should snap call. There is no crazy history (where he expects to get looked up light), raising just seems like retardedly merging your range IMO.

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its a bad bluff... range merging? lol

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If your intention is to bluff people off two pair and sets then gl.

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I still dont understand the raise to 3k either. At first I thought you were joking..:-?

...No worse hand is usually calling, and pretty much every better hand will/should snap call. There is no crazy history (where he expects to get looked up light), raising just seems like retardedly merging your range IMO.

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its a bad bluff... range merging? lol

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If your intention is to bluff people off two pair and sets then gl.

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ty for the wisdom

Re: peelz 10/20
 

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Re: peelz 10/20
 

with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] i may occasionally consider a bluff shove but this is a call

Re: peelz 10/20
 

raise to 3k is ridiculous. seems like this is way worse than call.

a few strong villains at 10-20 can be valuebetting a worse hand like this on the river. AQ, QT, whatever. Seems like I can see how a good player might bet this river if you tend to show down light. you also beat a bluff. no one folds a set to this raise because you can have KQ, and no one also folds KQ.

Im too lazy to look but if you are super deep I dont mind something fancy like push as a bluff. It would be hard for a decent player here to bet 900 and call off like 6k more with bottom set, but I didnt make any money in my life in that spot...

Whether fold is better than call no one knows. But raising as a bluff here is crappy imo...

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3k

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lol

Re: peelz 10/20
 

Looks like villian has 22 or 77 to me.

Re: peelz 10/20
 

KoD, what did you wind up doing here?

Re: peelz 10/20
 

KRANTZ = worse advice on this forum.