Am i SOL for B&M play?
 

I live in NC. Is there any B&M poker room even remotely close by, or am I in basically the worst location in the US?

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Worst location in the US, and not just because of poker.

Just kidding. Your closest B&M cardrooms are in Atlantic City, southern Indiana, Tunica, and Florida (sort of). So, yes, very bad poker alignment.

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Some places are +EV for poker.
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I live in NC.

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Hope you like college hoops.

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Hope you like college hoops and pork barbecue with vinegary sauce.

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But yeah, the Atlantic Southeast is about the worst, and you're in the middle of the sour spot. Miami might be worse if you don't count Florida casinos (but aren't they spreading small-stakes NLHE now?).

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Would be interesting to run a map program and find the town farthest from legit poker cardrooms. Sort of the way the Census finds the center of population.

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Would be interesting to run a map program and find the town farthest from legit poker cardrooms. Sort of the way the Census finds the center of population.

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I'm guessing somewhere in Hawaii would be the furthest.

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Would be interesting to run a map program and find the town farthest from legit poker cardrooms. Sort of the way the Census finds the center of population.

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I'm guessing somewhere in the Middle East would be the furthest.

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FYP and very true.

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There was a legal casino in the West Bank, but I dunno if it had poker or if the Israelis blew it up. Otherwise, the closest I can think of is Vienna.

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Worst is still probably hawaii or some small island chain in South Pacific.

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or am I in basically the worst location in the US?

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Some places are +EV for poker.
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I live in NC.

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Hope you like college hoops.

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FWIW, before he won the ME, Greg raymer lived in CT, a ston'e throw from Foxwoods, where he played as often as his work schedule permitted.

Once he won the ME, he moved to NC. Seems no State income tax > proximity to B&M play. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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FWIW, before he won the ME, Greg raymer lived in CT, a ston'e throw from Foxwoods, where he played as often as his work schedule permitted.

Once he won the ME, he moved to NC. Seems no State income tax > proximity to B&M play. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Are you sure?

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Seven states have no state income tax: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming. Two others, New Hampshire and Tennessee, tax only dividend and interest income.

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Comparison of State income taxes

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Worst is still probably hawaii or some small island chain in South Pacific.

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Doubt if you are ever 20 miles away from a good home game in Hawaii.

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Once he won the ME, he moved to NC. Seems no State income tax > proximity to B&M play once you've got a multimillion dollar poker tournament win under your belt

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I mean, sure, if the millions are already sitting in my investment portfolio. The questions about NC's tax rate are duly noted.

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Actually. If you are in hawaii, you have to be the world's biggest degen to play poker. Enjoy the fact you are in hawaii. OP was asking about B&M not home games. I am sure he can probably find some home games in nc.

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Would be interesting to run a map program and find the town farthest from legit poker cardrooms. Sort of the way the Census finds the center of population.

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Not sure if we're allowed to plug other sites, but if you go to the web site of a certain magazine for card player(s), you'll discover a googly map of the US that lists all known legal casinos.

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Feeling your pain in NC. It seems like 10 hours in any direction by car or it is off to the airport for us tarheels.

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Depending upon which part of the state you're in and if they pass table games outside of Charleston, WV on Saturday, you could be 4.5 hrs or so away (if you're in say Charlotte). Still not great but better than 12.

I hoping for it to pass so I'll only be about 2.5 hrs away. Though this is all assuming they end up running a good poker room and are able to spread mid-limit games (I don't play much no limit).

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www.pokermashup.com

Search for closest poker rooms by zip code

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I tried this (I live in Salt Lake City) and it gave me Ute Mountain Casino in Colorado, which is ~290 miles away, yet there are 3 full service casinos in Wendover , NV. with poker rooms which are ~120 miles away.

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Worst location in the US, and not just because of poker.

Just kidding. Your closest B&M cardrooms are in Atlantic City, southern Indiana, Tunica, and Florida (sort of). So, yes, very bad poker alignment.

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Biloxi and even New Orleans should probably also be included in this list although they are a little bit farther.

Wheeling, WV is getting live-poker soon.
They are voting on it in some town in the southern part of WV sometime in the near future so that might be a few months away. But it's not a guarantee it will get approved.

In Tunica, especially weekends, I would meet quite a few out-of-towners.
Usually in for a couple days from Alabama or Atlanta. But I met a few from NC as well.
Seems a few NC'ers would make that road-trip for their live-poker fix.

Tunica is about 6+ hours from Atlanta.
About 4 hours from Nashville.

Biloxi is also about 6 hours from Atlanta I think.

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Depending upon which part of the state you're in and if they pass table games outside of Charleston, WV on Saturday, you could be 4.5 hrs or so away (if you're in say Charlotte). Still not great but better than 12.

I hoping for it to pass so I'll only be about 2.5 hrs away. Though this is all assuming they end up running a good poker room and are able to spread mid-limit games (I don't play much no limit).

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Very sorry to let you know that the referendum was voted down in June. It will be another two years before they can get it put back on the ballot. It passed in at least two other places in WV though, none close, but hopefully that will add pressure or influence in a couple years when they try again. I was really, really, really looking forward to a casino setting closer to me than the 3 hour AC drive. I was doing some research and apparently it took AC several tries on the referendums to pass gambling there back in the day too.

http://thegarmans.org
"Jefferson County - Charles Town (Charlestown Races & slots):
Failed 5,626 to 4,429.

Speculation is that the referendum failed mostly because of proposed budget allocations. Proponents have stated that they will revisit the budget and seek
another referendum."

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At Cherokee in the mountains. It is a nice "Indian" casino, but the rake was ridiculous. I don't remember the exact rake, as I was there about 5 years ago. I just remember thinking there was no way I was going to play there.

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Very sorry to let you know that the referendum was voted down in June. It will be another two years before they can get it put back on the ballot. It passed in at least two other places in WV though, none close, but hopefully that will add pressure or influence in a couple years when they try again. I was really, really, really looking forward to a casino setting closer to me than the 3 hour AC drive. I was doing some research and apparently it took AC several tries on the referendums to pass gambling there back in the day too.

http://thegarmans.org
"Jefferson County - Charles Town (Charlestown Races & slots):
Failed 5,626 to 4,429.



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Actually, that's CHARLES TOWN, WV. Which is different than the capital which is Charleston, WV. There is one remaining county to vote in West Virginia. The county is Kanawha County which Charleston sits in I believe. The actual casino is about 15 miles west of Charleston. It's called Tri-State Racetrack & Gaming Center. They did not vote with everybody else because of some procedural problems. They decided to postpone the vote until August 11th. The economic situation is a little worse there than in Charles Town so hopefully it will pass.

http://www.news-register.net/page/co...87.html?isap=1

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Actually, that's CHARLES TOWN, WV. Which is different than the capital which is Charleston, WV.

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I stand corrected, thanks for the good info.

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right, that's the one that was remaining in WV that I was referring too.

This casino could potentially do quite decently if they pass table-games because of the aforementioned total lack of options if you're in the far east part ofthe southeast.

I suspect a lot of NC and eastern Tenn types would be making this trek to the relative boonies of WV.
Of course, it would be up to the racetrack/casino to make it reasonably attractive.

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Semi on-topic -- regarding map distance algorithms, my first trip to Tunica I used the Motel 6 finder which put me in Helena, Arkansas, which it said was about 18 miles from Tunica. I ended up at least 50 miles from the casinos!

Problem #1: I used Tunica, not Tunica Resorts or Robinsonville, 14 miles north.

Problem #2: Their algorithm appeared to give distances "as the crow flies," i.e. assuming I could helicopter over the Mississippi River instead of driving 20 miles south for the nearest bridge.

Needless to say I learned an important lesson about trusting online distance finders. Cheapskates only gave me a $10 coupon for my troubles. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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What is the state of poker in FL now? They just allowed like 1/2 NL but only at dogtracks with a max buy-in or something like that?

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I live in NC. Is there any B&M poker room even remotely close by, or am I in basically the worst location in the US?

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Yes and not so bad. It depends on where you are in NC. If your in Charlotte or close to the SC border, your only one state away from poker in Florida now. I'm sure there's a dog track or Seminole Casino close to Jacksonville.

Also....I used to make the drive to Tunica several times a year from East TN until we got a low fair direct flight to Vegas. Figure in gas for an SUV and drive time vs a cheap flight and 4hrs in the air and it's a no-brainer. I know Raleigh has Southwest, and if your in Western NC close to Asheville you can take Allegiant from Greenville/Spartanburg.

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I live in NC. Is there any B&M poker room even remotely close by, or am I in basically the worst location in the US?

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Yes and not so bad. It depends on where you are in NC. If your in Charlotte or close to the SC border, your only one state away from poker in Florida now. I'm sure there's a dog track or Seminole Casino close to Jacksonville.

Also....I used to make the drive to Tunica several times a year from East TN until we got a low fair direct flight to Vegas. Figure in gas for an SUV and drive time vs a cheap flight and 4hrs in the air and it's a no-brainer. I know Raleigh has Southwest, and if your in Western NC close to Asheville you can take Allegiant from Greenville/Spartanburg.

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I like in Charlotte. It is not close to Florida. I drive to miami about 3-4 times per year and FL is 5 hours away (and i usually drive~90-100) and another 5 hrs to mismi. Quickest time to miami was 10 hrs and 20 mins including food, gas, and bathroom stops. its ~760 miles.

As for card rooms, ya, its terrible. The casino in the mountains (Harrahs cherokee) does not spread table games which makes them useless. They claim to be getting approved and expanding but no official word yet. Never driven to AC. Got a flight sunday to vegas, and it will be my first trip there. Where do you live in NC?

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I live in W-S. And this quote from the Harrah's Cherokee website put me on lifetilt.[ QUOTE ]
It's all the fun of poker but at a table for one. Try our video poker slots if you want a twist on this increasingly popular game. And with multiple denominations, there's sure to be one that matches your style of play. Let Harrah's Cherokee deal you a winning hand!

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It's all the fun of poker but at a table for one. Try our video poker slots if you want a twist on this increasingly popular game. And with multiple denominations, there's sure to be one that matches your style of play. Let Harrah's Cherokee deal you a winning hand!

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This makes me want to throw up!

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that type of stuff is common for casinos describing video-poker or poker-based carnival games.

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www.pokermashup.com

Search for closest poker rooms by zip code

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I tried this (I live in Salt Lake City) and it gave me Ute Mountain Casino in Colorado, which is ~290 miles away, yet there are 3 full service casinos in Wendover , NV. with poker rooms which are ~120 miles away.

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I tried it too. closest (ho chunk) didn't show up and the 2nd closest result did not spread poker.

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I live in NC. Is there any B&M poker room even remotely close by, or am I in basically the worst location in the US?

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Maybe you can get invited to Matt Flynn's home game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick

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www.pokermashup.com

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Mine:

1. 6 mi Hawaiian Gardens Casino
2. 12 mi Bicycle Casino
3. 12 mi Commerce Casino
4. 13 mi Club Caribe Casino
5. 13 mi Crystal Park Casino Hotel
6. 17 mi Hustler Casino
7. 17 mi Normandie Casino
8. 20 mi Hollywood Park - Casino
9. 43 mi Lake Elsinore Hotel & Casino
10. 48 mi San Manuel Indian Bingo and Casino
11. 59 mi Ocean's Eleven Casino
12. 61 mi Pechanga Resort & Casino

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~ Rick

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I live in NC. Is there any B&M poker room even remotely close by?

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depends. are you a cop?

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Once he won the ME, he moved to NC. Seems no State income tax > proximity to B&M play. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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wrong state. NC top bracket is 8%. cockroach lawmakers.

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where is NC anyway? is that part of Canada or England?

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depends. are you a cop?

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No, but 500-500 Badugi is a little high for me.