So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

Is this better? I usually call or RR in this spot. No read on villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) by Hand Converter CG

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BB ($35.30)
UTG ($9)
UTG+1 ($54.75)
Hero ($76.45)
MP2 ($102.60)
CO ($16.65)
Button ($15.55)
SB ($53.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls $2, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.5</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $24.75
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $17.25, won by BB.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $7.50, returned to BB.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. BB wins $24.75. </font>

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

This is a tough one. Villain could easily be doing this with 77-99. He could even be taking the view that this flop missed your "obvious" AK. The trouble is he is suggesting that you have to play a big pot. Do you really want to pay 70BB to find out whether your TT is good here? You are not yet committed so I'd be inclined to let this go against an unknown but I'd be keeping an eye on the BB for the future to try to get a feel for what hands he will do this with.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

all in, not close

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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all in, not close

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nah, I found a better spot after I had a read on villain I think. He stacked off after limping with K2 and turned out to be an 88.5/5/.... lag tard. I owned him for 3 smaller pots before this one came up.... Maybe I could of skinned him earlier but I feel better about laying that hand down.

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<font color="#C00000">CO ($49.15)</font>
Button ($17.55)
SB ($49)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($87.20)</font>
UTG ($102.85)
MP1 ($29.50)
MP2 ($52.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button folds, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, CO calls $1.50.

Turn: ($4.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, CO calls $4.50.

River: ($13.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80.7</font>, CO calls $17.65 (All-In).

Final Pot: $136.60
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $98.55, between CO and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero ($98.55).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $38.05, returned to Hero.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Th Qc (two pair, queens and tens).
CO has Td 3s (two pair, tens and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $136.60. </font>

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

How can you fold this?!

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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How can you fold this?!

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Well, I hadn't seen the guy play, JJ,QQ are both reasonable calling hands from BB and I just had a bad feeling about his reraise. Only thing I'm beating is 88 99 and an underpair to the board or something like 7x. I'm still convinced he had me on that hand.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

the only pair that beats you is JJ and maybe QQ. He's bluffing sometimes, and a lot of the time he has 77 88 99. He can also have a str8 draw, or a pair and a str8 draw.

I guess i was wrong about it being not close, but i am almost certain you are getting the right equity to play for stacks here.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

by the way i hope everyone realizes that villain only has a 35 stack

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

U should shove after his raise.

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U should shove after his raise.

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why? What's your range of hands you put villain on? He's pretty much pot committed himself with that raise so he has something he wants to show down in my opinion. I guess I should pokerstove it. He turned out to be a total donk but, this was like my 2nd or 3rd hand at the table.

I really respect the opinion of everyone that has replied. Maybe my TT's have just been snake bit for the past 35,000 hands but I've lost like 5 bi's with them and I feel like I need to quit playing them so aggressively.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

77, 88, 99. As5s, Ah5h, 3h4h, 3s4s, 7s8s, 7h8h, 7d8d, JJ, QQ, random bluffs/air, various combinations of 89s, 55, 56s, 67s, A6s.

Basically, his range is huge here, and we stack up somewhat favorably vs it and he doesn't even have af ull stack and is an unkown. So we gotta get it in here.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

I'd nearly rule out Q's here and say that J's are also pretty unlikely. I dont know what NL 50 is like but i'd say most players here would be 3betting those hands from the blinds.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

well, there are VERY few spots where its ok to get all in with one pair of TT. This just happens to be one of them. You probably got stacked previously in -EV scenarios with TT.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

This is NL50, and I lost 3 BI in the last 2 days on hands like that against 3 different maniacs.
1. Hand: Villian called my raise with Q6o and made a set.
2. Hand: he coldcalled my raise (JJ) with KK
3. Hand: he coldcalled my raise (KK) with 67o and floped a boat.

I´m not whining, but it can´t be that wrong to fold this hand at 50NL.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

Everything Renton has said on this thread is spot on.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

I dont know that its better. I dont have a read. Im tempted to call and see what he does on the turn. Are we assuming he has an overpair here, or is he holding a mid-pair?

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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by the way i hope everyone realizes that villain only has a 35 stack

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Well, I didn't. Good thing you pointed that out.


-&gt; Pooosh. And it's not close!

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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by the way i hope everyone realizes that villain only has a 35 stack

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Well, I didn't. Good thing you pointed that out.


-&gt; Pooosh. And it's not close!

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

262,350 games 0.005 secs 52,470,000 games/sec

Board: 6s 6h 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.333% 53.14% 00.19% 139421 499.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 46.667% 46.48% 00.19% 121931 499.00 { QQ-55, A6s-A5s, K6s-K5s, Q6s-Q5s, J6s-J5s, T6s-T5s, 96s-95s, 86s-85s, 72s+, 62s+, A7o-A6o, K7o-K6o, Q7o-Q6o, J7o-J6o, T7o-T6o, 97o-96o, 86o+, 76o, 62o+, 52o+ }

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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nah, I found a better spot after I had a read on villain I think.

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This "better spot" stuff in reference to cash games makes me laugh.

This is a cash game, there is no such thing. It's either a good spot or it's not. It doesn't matter if it's the "best" spot.

I don't know why people post hands when they just want people to tell them what they want to hear.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

262,350 games 0.005 secs 52,470,000 games/sec

Board: 6s 6h 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.333% 53.14% 00.19% 139421 499.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 46.667% 46.48% 00.19% 121931 499.00 { QQ-55, A6s-A5s, K6s-K5s, Q6s-Q5s, J6s-J5s, T6s-T5s, 96s-95s, 86s-85s, 72s+, 62s+, A7o-A6o, K7o-K6o, Q7o-Q6o, J7o-J6o, T7o-T6o, 97o-96o, 86o+, 76o, 62o+, 52o+ }

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If this is the range you put him on, then pushing is +EV. So push.

Re: So, TT is the only pp I\'m losing money with
 

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nah, I found a better spot after I had a read on villain I think.

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This "better spot" stuff in reference to cash games makes me laugh.

This is a cash game, there is no such thing. It's either a good spot or it's not. It doesn't matter if it's the "best" spot.

I don't know why people post hands when they just want people to tell them what they want to hear.

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Yeah, the only thing I can think of that would be of lower value than this is possibly commenting on a hand you think was posted for this reason. Take all the naked 5's out of the hand range and that is what I thought he held and that is why I folded. There have been two comments that agreed with me and several opinions from people I respect that said I should push. I'll probably push next time the situation arrives, but not because of anything you added to this discussion.