I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??
 

Without counting FPPs I have not had a winning month on stars all year long. Every table I sit at, I look at the player with the most money on the table and its always the worst player, and he continues to win non stop. Seems like the worse the players get the more they win.

Lately I have been videotaping my sessions using the camstudio thing, and it confirms my beleifs that I just cannot stop getting bad beats, and bad players making terrible plays always get rewarded. The emphamous raise on the turn with 3 outs and hit the river works on me about 90% of the time. I will be posting up videos shortly on my website, for the whole world to whitness the insane amounts of bad beats I have to suffer on a daily basis

I am way passed thinking online poker is rigged, I already know it is, but what I am trying to figure out is who and why they reward.

Looking at my pokertracker stats I have gotten high pockets an unreal amount of times excact numbers coming up below

AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands. My aces are winning 80% of the time but nothing else is winnign over 65% with kings being at 64 and queens at 61%

How can you run sooo bad for sooo long, even the biggest fish have winning months.

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Are you a winning player at other sites?

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You're an idiot.

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands.

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I don't believe you.

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loft

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I am way passed thinking online poker is rigged, I already know it is, but what I am trying to figure out is who and why they reward.


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Gas up the Mystery Machine!
Clearly a case worthy of the top notch investigation duo: Scooby and Shaggy.

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"I will be posting up videos shortly on my website, for the whole world to whitness"

The whole world waits in anticipation of whittnnessing these spectacular videos.

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Have you turned on the 'use unrigged random numbers' option?

A lot of peole forget that and then wonder why they can't win.

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falling for the bait again:

reasons you aren't winning include you not being as good a player as you think you are.
My brief observations of your play are that you are already too tight for full-ring for the most part and don't know how to adjust to 6-max which I observed you recently started playing.

I'll reserve further comment because I really wasn't paying that much attention and you said you were going to post videos so at that point you should get more feedback about your play from others.
Be forewarned though that your previous and current attitude will only lead to everyone laughing at the mistakes you make in your hands as opposed to anyone agreeing with you about how rigged it all is.
This is almost a guarantee. Nobody is going to be kind about your mistakes I'm guessing.

I also find it strange that you are 'beyond' thinking/knowing the site is rigged yet you continued to play there to keep losing.
You 'knew' it was rigged several months ago. But then you were playing there again recently just the past couple weeks or whenever I saw you. And now you know that it's rigged again I guess.


Anyway, you're not alone in your lack of success. Those games ain't that easy anymore and I definitely haven't been doing much better than you.
My results suck because I suck.

Switching to No Limit and/or re-tooling my game entirely are some of my options.


Anyway, the loosest player at the table is often-times going to shoot up fast or is going to bust-out quickly. So it stands to reason that it would be a loose and bad player who would have a large stack at the table.
The players who bust-out obviously aren't at the table anymore.
I've seen this happen at live tables too ALL the time fwiw and I assume many other players have as well. The worst or loosest rack up a mountain of chips playing horrible cards but at least playing them aggressively.


Also, you should re-examine the filters in your PT database.
There's almost zero chance you are really getting each of those pocket pairs over 1% of the time.

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Looking at my pokertracker stats I have gotten high pockets an unreal amount of times excact numbers coming up below

AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands. My aces are winning 80% of the time but nothing else is winnign over 65% with kings being at 64 and queens at 61%

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I don't believe these numbers of pocket pairs either. On average, you should get AA, etc. 381 times out of 84k hands. It's not worth dragging out the stats book, but there is simply no way you got dealt this many big pairs unless the 84k is a typo.

If by some miracle you did, and still aren't beating the game, well . . .

By the way, the winning percentages (80% for AA, 64% for KK) seem pretty reasonable, so it's not like you're getting cracked too often.

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all top players know stars is rigged

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"Be forewarned though that your previous and current attitude will only lead to everyone laughing at the mistakes you make in your hands as opposed to anyone agreeing with you about how rigged it all is"

Bob is right.The thing that always annoys me is the complete narcissism that always is involved in these posts.Everyone else is horrible and im the greatest so it cant possibly be that i need to improve,it must be rigged ect.Ive never lost at any level,at any site since i started playing online.Yet i know im not very good or else i wouldnt be playing small to small mid stakes still,id be crushing the highest levels.Everytime i play i make multiple mistakes,im human.Every player here gets bad beats every time they play,thats poker.Quit being so conceited and you will get a better responce from others and become a better player at the same time.

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands.


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There's no way you've been dealt AA almost 1 out of 84 hands. If that's the case, it's clear that the sites have been rigged in your favor and you should really stop complaining. I believe the probability of getting dealt AA is ~0.45% or so. This means that, given 971 AA's dealt to you, you should have around 215k hands...not 84k. Your numbers are off somewhere.

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"Be forewarned though that your previous and current attitude will only lead to everyone laughing at the mistakes you make in your hands as opposed to anyone agreeing with you about how rigged it all is"

Bob is right.The thing that always annoys me is the complete narcissism that always is involved in these posts.Everyone else is horrible and im the greatest so it cant possibly be that i need to improve,it must be rigged ect.Ive never lost at any level,at any site since i started playing online.Yet i know im not very good or else i wouldnt be playing small to small mid stakes still,id be crushing the highest levels.Everytime i play i make multiple mistakes,im human.Every player here gets bad beats every time they play,thats poker.Quit being so conceited and you will get a better responce from others and become a better player at the same time.

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I never said I was a great player, i said even the biggest fish has a winning month, I havnet had a winning month all year.

By the way I do crush the high stakes games on other sites, but I cant play them on stars ebcause I cannot even win at 10 20.

Bbut I do consistanlty beat 50-100 and 100-200 games on other sites and live which is how I maintain my lifestyle and bills

I analyse my play on a daily basis, and I do see plenty of mistakes that could save me a bet or 2, but nothing as significant as the amounts of bad beats I suffer. It is an unnormal amount.


If you ask why I continue to play is because after counting the FPPS I am still a winner at stars, but only counting fpps.

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Fair enough.But it came off that way to me.I know your just frustrated,we all have been there trust me.

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

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I find this very unlikely indeed. What's your User ID? PM me. I will then post the analysis of pocket pair numbers over whatever period you like. I am sure that you won't have a problem with having these numbers confirmed.

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

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I find this very unlikely indeed. What's your User ID? PM me. I will then post the analysis of pocket pair numbers over whatever period you like. I am sure that you won't have a problem with having these numbers confirmed.

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Whooop- and the thread has ended.

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Don't worry OP, I win at every site but Stars too. Hella rigged.

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Don't worry OP, I win at every site but Stars too. Hella rigged.

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I knew it ! Actually my new word for stars gaming is SKEWED, Its SKEWED just a little bit.

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands. My aces are winning 80% of the time but nothing else is winnign over 65% with kings being at 64 and queens at 61%

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Add me to the nonbeliever list. If these numbers were right, you'd be a big winner, not a whiner.

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OP,

You're suffering form what in the game theory world is known as over-optimization. In other words in certain games vs. multiple opponents, if all your opponents are playing very far from optimal, the standard multi player optimal game becomes a losing one.

cliff notes: the tables are too fishy to beat

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So you get T's+ 5.5% of your hands, and you don't win? You're doing it wrong!

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but there is simply no way you got dealt this many big pairs unless its rigged

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fyp

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I definitely don't think its rigged, but just FWIW my results approx. on all the sites I've played:

Party: +$175,000
FT: +$7500(just started playing there)
Stars: -$30,000

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

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On average, you'll get each pocket pair 380 times over 84,000 hands. The standard deviation is 19.5. Getting aces 971 times is therefore a 30 standard deviation event. It is safe to say that you are either lying or that it wasn't 84,000 hands.

Just to give you some idea of how unlikely a 30 SD event is, the likelihood of only a 7 SD event is 1 in 776 billion.

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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You want him to provide HH's to prove +$182,500 -$30,000?

For God's sake, Assani, if you do, just don't post them in a thread!

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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Usually I report posts like these, but goddammit I agree so much.

Actually OnlinePro, it's been a while since you've posted one of your infamous "rigged" posts. I'm surprised you don't have a custom title yet. Oh yeah, FWIW (not that you'll believe me or some [censored]) I'm in the green at every level I've played at Pokerstars. And I've played Limit and NL there.

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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Usually I report posts like these, but goddammit I agree so much.

Actually OnlinePro

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OnlinePro?

His post was "Re: Assani".

Even if you agree with the sentiment, the peppering of 'censored's all over the place makes the post look oafish, and all but unreadable.

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I used to not be able to win at Stars either. Then I got better at poker.

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I am way passed thinking online poker is rigged, I already know it is, but what I am trying to figure out is who and why they reward.

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Pssst! Here's the secret, but don't tell anyone else, OK?

You have to tip the doom switch operator. Ten percent is standard, but let's not start a tipping thread here.



P.S. Just to satisfy my own idle curiosity, hypothetically, how low would someone's I.Q. have to be to continue to play online poker if he was totally convinced that he was being cheated?????

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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^^beautiful
harsh... but beautiful
I agree tho show some proof, the OPost is contradictory of itself... you cant get TT or better 5+% of the time and then have them hold up more than 65% of the time and then whine about the site being rigged and you receiving bad beats. just doesnt go together.
Also if your FPPs make you even on Stars... you must've not lost that much over 84k hands.

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The emphamous raise on the turn with 3 outs and hit the river works on me about 90% of the time

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You lost me at the title of your thread, but this made me kind of angry. You owe me 3 minutes of my life back.

Also, to hopefully put an end to this thread, the reason you see a disproportionate amount of big pairs is because of a known PT bug that has been discussed here before. Download the latest patch.

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P.S. Just to satisfy my own idle curiosity, hypothetically, how low would someone's I.Q. have to be to continue to play online poker if he was totally convinced that he was being cheated?????

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Hard to say, isn't it? But if you look at the rows and rows and rows of populated slot machines at casinos, and realise that the people sitting there have (or had) jobs, and children, and are allowed to vote and drive cars, it becomes obvious that, for a lot of people, gambling and logic are not good bedfellows.

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Let's see some HHs to confirm this. Otherwise shut the [censored] up and go the [censored] away. Jesus Christ do you have any [censored] idea how sick and [censored] tired people are of these stupid [censored] retarded posts that do absolutely nothing to back up their ridiculous [censored] claims??????

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Usually I report posts like these, but goddammit I agree so much.

Actually OnlinePro

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OnlinePro?

His post was "Re: Assani".

Even if you agree with the sentiment, the peppering of 'censored's all over the place makes the post look oafish, and all but unreadable.

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It was Re:Assani because I posted after him. I was referring to the OP. And I agree my post was a bit over the top. I typically do not go there, but I'm just soooo sick of these posts I felt I needed to vent a bit.

ja

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OP,

whats your screen name?

also from this post and your others, its obvious you likely arent a winning player. Instead of complaining about losing on stars, you should be grateful that you are running super hot else where and arent losing money there too.

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Looking at my pokertracker stats I have gotten high pockets an unreal amount of times excact numbers coming up below

AA 971 times
KK 882
QQ 929
JJ 785
1010 1032

Out of 84 thousand hands.

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I have 125k+ hands in my database, The most Ive gotten a pp is 88 and thats 643 times. Anything over this number is a random off suit hand, with the most popular hand K5o 1222 times. So u got 10,10 and AA close to a thousand times each huh?

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Why haven't you posted a PT screen shot yet?

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Why haven't you posted a PT screen shot yet?

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Must have to update photoshop.