Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

Frequent Browser of the micro stakes and it has helped my game tremendously. this tough decision came up the other day, just thought what villians range could be. his stats were 35/25/4 granted over a small sample of twenty hands.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($23)
SB :#A500AF(villian)/ ($28)
BB ($150.30)
UTG ($25.15)
UTG+1 ($12.90)
MP1 ($15)
MP2 ($10.65)
Hero ($24.65)
CO ($17.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB :#A500AF(villian)/ raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">villian bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($4.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">villian bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">villian raises to $25.75</font>, Hero ????

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

only calling the flop sucks

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

yeah i know i had raised the previous six or so and mixed it up normally i raise. more or less wondering about the turn

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

sets, AK most of the time, overpairs some of the time. doubt he's doing this with top pair.

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

You should be raising here pre-flop. Bottom two pair is not a hand that I would slow play especially on this flop. As played I am going to fold the turn. There are a number of hands that have us crushed: TT, QQ, JJ, AK, maybe QJ but I doubt it. The hands we are currently beating, AA, KK, AQ, AJ, KQ all have at least 8 outs to draw out on us.

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as played the turn looks like a call me bet, so jj+ AK, AQ, but you have outs, some equity, and position, maybe a turn call (to reevaluate river) is okay since you were not willing to commit with a flop raise

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

Dont call the flop. Raise it up to $4.50 and put pressure on the flush and str8 draws.

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

I don't like a turn call here. You only have 4 outs if your behind and a hand like AA has 12 out against you. Even if your ahead your not ahead by much.

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

like i said fairly new was off by one in poker tracker database and just double checked villian his stats were 66/62/4. how bad does this change his range?

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

Write this down on a piece of paper 200 times.

"I will not open limp"

Villain has you crushed or you are a slight favorite at best and you put yourself in this position by not folding preflop.

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

How many hands is this over? 66/62 is frickin insane and I don't know if there is an actual range I can put down then. Against a normal player this is an easy fold, against a nut job like this I would really need to know more about how they play after the flop. Until you know if they only put all the money in with the goods it is impossible to say. Against a player like this I would spew a bunch of chips and probably call.

Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range
 

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like i said fairly new was off by one in poker tracker database and just double checked villian his stats were 66/62/4. how bad does this change his range?

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It makes TPTK the new nuts. Two pair you definetely want to get in the middle.

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Write this down on a piece of paper 200 times.

"I will not open limp"



[/ QUOTE ] i know i know

it was over a range of 46 hands (no open limping) and i deduced (correctly or not??) based on the same amount $1.50 he bet on the flop and (reminder no open limping) turn that he didnt have a monster like ak, qj, or a set leaving the possibility of kk, aa, kq AQs and possibly 99. Based on how (no open limping) much more it was to call and his range i put him on i thought this made it a tough decision. (got it no open limping raise pre) thanks guys