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Blue Lagoon 08-07-2007 12:26 PM

\"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
I don't understand exactly what it is.
Does it mean: Folded to the SB, who open-raises, and BB folds.

Because in this situation, I play almost always, as stated in Fromm's DVD. Since a few weeks I adjusted but I still play almost 90% of my hands in this position.
But my "Fold BB to Steal HU" is around 40%. So what's that??
BTW, my "fold BB to steal" is around 50%.

I just started to think about that because I read p.89 of WITHG, and it's not clear for me.

Zach6668 08-07-2007 12:34 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
A steal raise includes CO and Button as well.

Oink 08-07-2007 12:38 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
When I sort for "steal attempted and called/reraised HU" in PT I get hands that includes ANY steal raise where I call it and its HU.

So as far as my PT works they are wrong in WITHG when they claim that that stat only covers spots where you call your BB vs a SB steal

yourface 08-07-2007 12:52 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
wow really? I thought it only applied to SB vs BB steals. so folded BB to steal includes situations like button raises, SB calls, hero folds?

sebastien 08-07-2007 12:54 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
i already know it sd when button and co open raise = steal blind.
i think if sb call the open raise of button it s same

Oink 08-07-2007 12:59 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
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wow really? I thought it only applied to SB vs BB steals. so folded BB to steal includes situations like button raises, SB calls, hero folds?

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless I am a complete moron, yes.

I made that filter and I got a hand where Button raised and I called in the BB HU.

yourface 08-07-2007 01:13 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
I just searched through the PT.com forum and yes that's how it works; if anyone opens from the CO button oor SB and it gets folded to your BB, that counts towards "folded BB to steal HU". if anyone else calls it counts towards "folded BB to steal"

I think my FBBTSHU is like 30-35% or so, perhaps I am overdefending.

sebastien 08-07-2007 01:14 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
FBBTSHU what s that??

yourface 08-07-2007 01:14 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
folded BB to steal HU

Oink 08-07-2007 01:17 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
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I think my FBBTSHU is like 30-35% or so, perhaps I am overdefending

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Just checked mine. I come in at (EDIT)26%. I should prolly fold more...

yourface 08-07-2007 01:19 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
95o, Q4o, K2o etc look pretty good when it's just me and some chump on the button [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

sebastien 08-07-2007 01:19 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
i m new laptop so only 22k hand i m 43% i think it s standard no?
i probably call much but i suks postflop hu blind [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Blue Lagoon 08-07-2007 01:45 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
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I just searched through the PT.com forum and yes that's how it works; if anyone opens from the CO button oor SB and it gets folded to your BB, that counts towards "folded BB to steal HU" and "Folded BB to steal" . if anyone else calls it counts only towards "folded BB to steal"

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FYP

("FYP": I think that's what we should say in this case, right?)

I just checked that on my PT DB.

Blue Lagoon 08-07-2007 01:54 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
Now, it's clear that you're right Oink, they are wrong in WITHG.

I don't know a single player who would fold nearly 50% of his hands in the BB against a SB steal...


Is there anybody who think that "Folded BB to steal HU" could be a better stat, compared to "Folded BB to steal", to know if we should steal against the player in the BB.

piranha 08-08-2007 02:04 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
I just started this thread in PT's forum. Hopefully we'll get a definitive answer:

http://pokertracker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21299

TheHip41 08-08-2007 02:20 PM

Re: \"Fold BB to Steal HU\" discussion
 
[ QUOTE ]
Now, it's clear that you're right Oink, they are wrong in WITHG.

I don't know a single player who would fold nearly 50% of his hands in the BB against a SB steal...


Is there anybody who think that "Folded BB to steal HU" could be a better stat, compared to "Folded BB to steal", to know if we should steal against the player in the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]


ILP, ahem, I mean, Westley878 folds 58% of the time.

I fold about 45-50% fwiw


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