i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

evaluate my play?

Seat 4: hellopuppy (2,980)
Seat 5: Peruvian (3,000)
Seat 6: BroncoSajorski (3,070)
Seat 7: maxxscam (3,000)
Seat 8: Ace18 (3,000)
Seat 9: UnderBet (3,000)
hellopuppy posts the small blind of 10
Peruvian posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YourTimeIsUp [Ad Qh]
BroncoSajorski folds
maxxscam folds
Ace18 folds
UnderBet folds
YourTimeIsUp raises to 70
your a sausage folds
A G WIJK calls 70
hellopuppy folds
Peruvian folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 6c Ac]
YourTimeIsUp bets 120
A G WIJK calls 120
Peruvian has been disconnected
*** TURN *** [5c 6c Ac] [Qs]
YourTimeIsUp bets 360
Peruvian has reconnected
A G WIJK has 15 seconds left to act
A G WIJK calls 360
*** RIVER *** [5c 6c Ac Qs] [Th]
YourTimeIsUp has 15 seconds left to act
YourTimeIsUp bets 760
A G WIJK raises to 2,420, and is all in
YourTimeIsUp has 15 seconds left to act
YourTimeIsUp has requested TIME
YourTimeIsUp is sitting out
YourTimeIsUp has timed out
YourTimeIsUp folds
Uncalled bet of 1,660 returned to A G WIJK

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

call river. and if you wernt gonna call allin on the river try a check call of a smaller ammount.
if hes got a set so be it.

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

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call river. and if you wernt gonna call allin on the river try a check call of a smaller ammount.
if hes got a set so be it.

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worst advice ever, everything is wrong

i like how you played the hand stealth

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

bigballz instead of slating people, what do you put him on.

also why is check callin on the river bad.
i would always check call here as pot control. i wouldnt bet 700 and fold when i could check call upto 900 all the time.

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

The reason why checkcalling river is bad is that there are worse hands that will check behind, but might call a bet, while there's a very small chance he bluffs if we check. Therefore, our equity vs. his calling range if we bet is better than vs. his betting range if we check. Though, there's a little kink if we are unsure whether villain could raise w/ a worse two pair this way when we intend to fold to a raise.

Usually, I would say that villains will typically just call if they have AT or worse.

Agree w/ bigballz. Though, if you don't think this particular villain will have/call w/ a worse hand that won't bet if you check, then c/c might be better. This is not usually the case tho.

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Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

cheers mikej for clarifying the logic of the bet fold on the river. just i do see villain value betting 56->AT sometimes.

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*** RIVER *** [5c 6c Ac Qs] [Th]
YourTimeIsUp has 15 seconds left to act
YourTimeIsUp bets 760

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Didn't like the hand until I saw this.

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

I would check call the river

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

I play it the same.

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this would be a better thread if you cut the river action out IMO.

also I probably check/call, solely because being blown off your hand here is a much bigger disaster than missing a few hundred in value at the end. but I do feel like it's close.

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ae/adanthar, you guys are worried about getting accidentally bluffed by a worse two pair right? Or am I missing something?

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ae/adanthar, you guys are worried about getting accidentally bluffed by a worse two pair right? Or am I missing something?

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no, but i don't see any reason for him to think we'll 3-barrel, but he can def have one club andbluf when checked to

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will he ever bet an ace though? probably not, which is why i hate a check here. perhaps this isn't worth much as well, but the fact that he banked on the turn takes away a lot of single club hands from his range. I doubt he was pondering a raise or a fold with the Kc so i think he has a flush or an ace here a lot.

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will he ever bet an ace though? probably not, which is why i hate a check here. perhaps this isn't worth much as well, but the fact that he banked on the turn takes away a lot of single club hands from his range. I doubt he was pondering a raise or a fold with the Kc so i think he has a flush or an ace here a lot.

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so then he's calling 3-barrels with Ax?

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

yes, people play dumb, why do you insist on thinking that this random tourney player is on the same level as you? there is definitely value to be had here.

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yes, people play dumb, why do you insist on thinking that this random tourney player is on the same level as you? there is definitely value to be had here.

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i like showdown + people like to bluff me, bet fold if you want, i'd probably CC 65% and bet fold 25%, and CRAI 5% and bet call 5%. those are probably fairly close and style and player choice. it's w/e, if you wanna bet fold then bet fold i dont' care.

also, obviously random player is not on the smae level as me do you knwo who i am duh

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also, obviously random player is not on the smae level as me do you knwo who i am duh

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YourTimeIsUp has timed out

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fyp

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When he shoves river, what do you think he has? I would think we would have already heard from a set or flush, although maybe not the nut flush. I think AT is the hand that makes the most sense for him to have, so I don't think I could find a fold here.

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

Ok I am caught between not wanting to hijack this thread and also not wanting to start a brand new one with the same hand as the topic of discussion, so I will just proceed..


For the people who fold, my question is:
How much less of a shove does it have to be for you to call?

and for the people who call,
How much more of a shove does it have to be for you to fold?


Seems like a fair followup question. I probably play it exactly like the OP (omg i finally got a chance to say "op" AND not butcher the syntax) only because killing self is not an option. By the way, djk, when he shoves the river, what do i think he has? I think he has a flush. It doesnt matter to me whther we "should" have heard from him on previous streets...he is speaking faily loudly now into the ear of someone who has fired full barrels each street.

Seems like one of those hands where I would fold if i were only in one tourney but even if I thought it might be a fold I would just call because at this point on a sunday I am usually in 8 games and would probably just say "f it...worst case I lose and can focus on the others"

(the first step is admitting it, so they say)

sheets

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meh its a tourney put him on Ax10c or Qc10x and call.

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will he ever bet an ace though? probably not, which is why i hate a check here. perhaps this isn't worth much as well, but the fact that he banked on the turn takes away a lot of single club hands from his range. I doubt he was pondering a raise or a fold with the Kc so i think he has a flush or an ace here a lot.

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so then he's calling 3-barrels with Ax?

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welcome to donkaments
I think I like the way stealth played it, but a check/call is pretty close to the same value I think

Re: i suck at donkaments. sunday mulligan hand.
 

check the flop before you check the river.