What theory is this?
 

I forget what the name of it was, it was mentioned in here a few months back... It was the theory that you "I", were the only true existing person.... Everything and everyone was an illusion created by your mind.... I was just browsing wikipedia about simulated realities, and couldn't remember this theory.... I want to make a point though, that I do not believe in this theory in the slightest, but found the whole simulated reality a unique perspectective....

What about "What the %$^&$% do we know,"..... Anyone catch that movie.... It states that we really have a much more significant impact on our realities that we think....
They did a science experiment in the subway system of Japan, where there were three bottles of waters....

One bottle had the message "I love you, you are great" written on it, one blessed by a buddhist monk, the other "I hate you, you make me sick, I want to kill you". They left these bottles out open to the public for a day... The next day, they used a dark microsocope to view the molecules, and they were all different.... The one with that was blessed and the one with a positive message, had beautiful, symmetrical molecules, but the third one, with the negative message, looked much different, much darker, much more distorted, much less symetrical....

The underlying message to this was, "if our thoughts can do this to water, image what they can do to each other....."

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But were any of the bottles nearer a ladder or a black cat?

luckyme

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Solipsism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Never heard of the bottle experiment, it's going to get a tough audience here (with good reason).

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Link to the experiment?

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The main force or inspiration behind What the #*&^ Do We Know? was J.Z. Knight. She claims to channel a spirit-warrior named Ramtha who was the ruler of Atlantis. Most of the people being interviewed are J.Z. Knight followers. David Albert accused the film of selectively using parts of speech from his interview to create an impression opposite to what he was actually saying.

Basically its not a film to be taken seriously.

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Link to the experiment?

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It was in the movie "What the %$%#%# do we know." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399877/

If anything, it has some interesting perspectives..... It also speaks of this experiment, which I know is documented, http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:myt...;cd=1&gl=us, that thousands were brought into Washington DC in the early 90s to pray and mediate with the intent to reduce crime.... Well, the crime was reduced by close to 23 percent for that time I believe.... Just google, and you'll see plenty of articles about this experiment. It's also in the movie.....

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but yo I've just pointed out that the movie lacks credibility

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Link to the experiment?

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It was in the movie "What the %$%#%# do we know." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399877/

If anything, it has some interesting perspectives..... It also speaks of this experiment, which I know is documented, http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:myt...;cd=1&gl=us, that thousands were brought into Washington DC in the early 90s to pray and mediate with the intent to reduce crime.... Well, the crime was reduced by close to 23 percent for that time I believe.... Just google, and you'll see plenty of articles about this experiment. It's also in the movie.....

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Freakonomics makes a convincing argument for legalized abortion being the reason crime decreased so suddenly in the early 90's.

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They did a science experiment in the subway system of Japan, where there were three bottles of waters....

One bottle had the message "I love you, you are great" written on it, one blessed by a buddhist monk, the other "I hate you, you make me sick, I want to kill you". They left these bottles out open to the public for a day... The next day, they used a dark microsocope to view the molecules, and they were all different.... The one with that was blessed and the one with a positive message, had beautiful, symmetrical molecules, but the third one, with the negative message, looked much different, much darker, much more distorted, much less symetrical....

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This is complete, 100%, bulls--t. There is no such things as a "less symmetrical" or "dark" water molecule.

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I am not sure on these exact quote.... But supposedly this was a legit experiment in Japan.... Who knows.... Check out the movie, if you want the exact quote..... Some of it sure does make you wonder, but it is interesting stuff.....

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sure, ignore me ;\

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...but the third one, with the negative message, looked much different, much darker, much more distorted, much less symetrical....


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If somehow an experiment showed that this molecule wasn't the same, the repercussions would destroy what we know about chemistry and physics. How do you make this molecule "darker", "distorted", or less symmetrical? It is 1 O and 2 H, every time (or it isn't water). This experiment would certainly have some scientific data to support this absolutely ground-breaking discovery, no? So let's see it.

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I forget what the name of it was, it was mentioned in here a few months back... It was the theory that you "I", were the only true existing person.... Everything and everyone was an illusion created by your mind.... I was just browsing wikipedia about simulated realities, and couldn't remember this theory.... I want to make a point though, that I do not believe in this theory in the slightest, but found the whole simulated reality a unique perspectective....

What about "What the %$^&$% do we know,"..... Anyone catch that movie.... It states that we really have a much more significant impact on our realities that we think....
They did a science experiment in the subway system of Japan, where there were three bottles of waters....

One bottle had the message "I love you, you are great" written on it, one blessed by a buddhist monk, the other "I hate you, you make me sick, I want to kill you". They left these bottles out open to the public for a day... The next day, they used a dark microsocope to view the molecules, and they were all different.... The one with that was blessed and the one with a positive message, had beautiful, symmetrical molecules, but the third one, with the negative message, looked much different, much darker, much more distorted, much less symetrical....

The underlying message to this was, "if our thoughts can do this to water, image what they can do to each other....."

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Here is a partial list of people who do not believe this water story is true:

Pair The Board

Not Ready

BluffThis

The Pope

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http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Radionics.html

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Similar perspective. I've seen a practitioner evaluate the blood of a patient via his radionic instrument and prescribe appropriate remedies. At that time I gathered that there is a "pattern" displayed via the instrument and thgis pattern is compared to different remedies until the proper one is prescribed. Medical dowsing is similar in approach if not the same.

Don't remember the name of the process but I believe that it is likened to producing a audible tone oner a substance(powdered?) which will display the tonal pattern. Different musical tones will produce different patterns. I know there is a name for this but don't remember. Perhaps someone could help?

Another approach that I have come across is a Kolisko study in which different homeopathically potentized substances of the same mineral(example of mercury) were used as fertilizer for plants which displayed differences of growth over periods of time. this was also related to planetary movements but this can get complicated and in truth I don't remember the details.

One has to study to appreciate this-wouldn't expect the Pope to "believe" but 10 to 1 he would consider in private.

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I guess this movie "What the #@#$@# do we know" is considered a bit of a hack, but who knows.... I even checked the IMBD database, and those on the message board talked about the movie, and most disagreed with almost everything presented in the movie.... What about the subatomic particles moving in and out of existence???
That was also presented in the movie.... How does everyone feel on that....

However, do some of thes sarcastic remarks presented in this fashion make the poster feel smart or clever in someway? Are they compensating for something..... If I disagreed with a post, I just wouldn't respond, or would be honest and say, hey that's a crock of @#$#@.....

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Oops, you stumbled into the wrong forum. The 'share my feelings' group meeting is 3 doors down. The main point of posting on here is to have your notions challenged or bursts of brilliance popped.

luckyme

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The patterns are called Chladni Patterns.

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If I disagreed with a post, I just wouldn't respond, ....

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Oops, you stumbled into the wrong forum. The 'share my feelings' group meeting is 3 doors down. The main point of posting on here is to have your notions challenged or bursts of brilliance popped.

luckyme

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Again, another clever response... 3 doors down... lol..... How do you come up with such witty responses like that so quickly.....
Seriously though, I don't care about the sincerity of any of these posts, just the accuracy, relevancy, and if they are informative or not.... That's what I am after.... Thanks again....

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I dont have the time or energy to investigate every such extraordinary claim. Personally, I discount stories like this, regardless of how scientific their studies look, as I have confidence in the scientific community. If there was anything to "mental powers" manipulating molecules of water it would be enormous news. It seems to me there are three likely explanations for why this hasnt made it into the mainstream scientific community:

1) The research is flawed in some way
2) There is a conspiracy to suppress information like this
3) Scientists are so ingrained in their biases that they will not dispationately examine results like this and it has been discounted for over ten years without ever being properly examined.

I think the first explanation is far more likely.

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I think someone offered a $1 million prize to reproduce the experiment in a double-blind study under laboratory conditions... Forget where I read this though.

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I think someone offered a $1 million prize to reproduce the experiment in a double-blind study under laboratory conditions... Forget where I read this though.

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Probably James Randi, he has a standing offer to that effect for any paranormal or supernatural occurance.

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I am not sure on these exact quote.... But supposedly this was a legit experiment in Japan.... Who knows.... Check out the movie, if you want the exact quote..... Some of it sure does make you wonder, but it is interesting stuff.....

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This is complete bunk. You are doing yourself a HUGE disservice by spending your time learning pseudo-science. There are many things in real science that are far more deep/interesting/intellectually challenging than this.

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i saw that movie. it was completely unsatisfying. i thought it was going to be a documentary about the forefront of quantum theory and stuff in layman's terms. no. just some stupid deaf girl being emo and timothy leary type the universe is one and love everyone crap. makes me so mad.

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Right on. If they'd said that the bottles had different chemical compounds and identified them it might have credibility. Chemically water is water, H20, and that is that.

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I actually found that argument to be a little unconvincing. It presented a highly plausible chain of events which if true would show a causal relationship, but it failed to back that up with rigorous research. Having said that, I do actualy reckon it's probably (if only partially) true - just that Freakonomics does not prove or strongly back it up.
That's based on reading it in an airport waiting lounge, mind you, so maybe there was something in the index/afterword that backed it up.

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that movie is new age garbage. you would be equally credible quoting 'the secret'.