$16 AQs in position deep stacks
 

call and see a flop? raise w/button? fold?

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MP2 (t1650)
CO (t1650)
Hero (t2125)
SB (t1280)
BB (t2145)
UTG (t3355)
MP1 (t1295)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero??

Re: $16 AQs in position deep stacks
 

the default vs an unknown should be to push in this spot. if you had a specific read that villian opened tight from this spot then i guess a fold is ok, but you would need a pretty good read (or just know villian is a total nit).

calling is bad imo.

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Push looks OK if he's not real tight in EP, and especially if he's aggressive post-flop. But we have position with a real hand and an OK stack so a call isn't bad either IMO, especially if he's pretty straightforward post-flop. If the blinds were about to go up, I'd be more likely to push.

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Push looks OK if he's not real tight in EP, and especially if he's aggressive post-flop. But we have position with a real hand and an OK stack so a call isn't bad either IMO, especially if he's pretty straightforward post-flop. If the blinds were about to go up, I'd be more likely to push.

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he is on co+1, so even tightes loosen up in this seat. it would be a pretty easy fold if he was tight and opening L4 from co+3 or co+4.

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Looks like a push with 450 out there, IMO.

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I'd certainly push.

Calling is bad, folding is worse IMO.

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Push looks OK if he's not real tight in EP, and especially if he's aggressive post-flop. But we have position with a real hand and an OK stack so a call isn't bad either IMO, especially if he's pretty straightforward post-flop. If the blinds were about to go up, I'd be more likely to push.

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he is on co+1, so even tightes loosen up in this seat. it would be a pretty easy fold if he was tight and opening L4 from co+3 or co+4.

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Agree, but some villains don't adjust much until it's 6 handed. I'm most interested in how low he's going with PPs and Ax and whether there's any Kx in there, because this has a huge impact on FE.

Re: $16 AQs in position deep stacks
 

21x bb can we see a flop?

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lol freecum how many times are you gonna change your avatar wtf.

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the default vs an unknown should be to push in this spot. if you had a specific read that villian opened tight from this spot then i guess a fold is ok, but you would need a pretty good read (or just know villian is a total nit).

calling is bad imo.

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My thoughts exactly.

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Calling is only bad if you believe the EV of a push to be greater than the EV of playing him post flop in position with a hand that's ahead of his range. It might be, but this is opponent dependent.

I'm not saying calling is best - it won't be most of the time - but I think there are times when it might be more +EV than a push.

For example, say I know he's loose and will call with everything he raised, which includes most As, PPs, double broadway and some suited connectors, and I also know that he always minbets the flop when he misses and folds to a raise, but bets properly when he hits and will never fold to a raise.

If he's that guy, I'm not pushing and I'm not folding. There are loads of villains like this, or who are similarly exploitable in their post flop play.

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Calling is only bad if you believe the EV of a push to be greater than the EV of playing him post flop in position with a hand that's ahead of his range. It might be, but this is opponent dependent.

I'm not saying calling is best - it won't be most of the time - but I think there are times when it might be more +EV than a push.

For example, say I know he's loose and will call with everything he raised, which includes most As, PPs, double broadway and some suited connectors, and I also know that he always minbets the flop when he misses and folds to a raise, but bets properly when he hits and will never fold to a raise.

If he's that guy, I'm not pushing and I'm not folding. There are loads of villains like this, or who are similarly exploitable in their post flop play.

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If he's the sort of fishy that always calls after a raise then the push usually (if he's on a &gt;13% range) becomes a value push instead of one that relies on fold equity.

I have trouble determining the exact species of fish I encounter so I tend not to go to war post-flop Moshman style. I like to keep it preflop and keep it simple.

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Calling is only bad if you believe the EV of a push to be greater than the EV of playing him post flop in position with a hand that's ahead of his range. It might be, but this is opponent dependent.

I'm not saying calling is best - it won't be most of the time - but I think there are times when it might be more +EV than a push.

For example, say I know he's loose and will call with everything he raised, which includes most As, PPs, double broadway and some suited connectors, and I also know that he always minbets the flop when he misses and folds to a raise, but bets properly when he hits and will never fold to a raise.

If he's that guy, I'm not pushing and I'm not folding. There are loads of villains like this, or who are similarly exploitable in their post flop play.

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If he's the sort of fishy that always calls after a raise then the push usually (if he's on a &gt;13% range) becomes a value push instead of one that relies on fold equity.

I have trouble determining the exact species of fish I encounter so I tend not to go to war post-flop Moshman style. I like to keep it preflop and keep it simple.

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It depends exactly what is in his range - if there are relatively few weak As we may not have the equity for a push.

Lots of players can't play post flop and it's well worth knowing which ones they are - it's usually more profitable to take it down risk-free after the flop about 2/3 of the time than push with no FE.