Playing out of a rack
 

We just went to a no racks on the table rule starting today. I'm curious about this rule at other casinos across the country. Will they let you play out of a rack at your local casino?

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They do not have this rule at any room in AC, as far as I know, but they did have it at Canterbury. You could play about one orbit then you had to leave or unrack.

I personally like it since I think allowing people to play out of a rack both slows the game down AND nits the game up. But its not that big of a deal. I'd prefer dealers never colored up any of the big stacks either, but thats pretty unreasonable on my part.

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At foxwoods you must have a working stack out of the rack to play with. You can keep chips in a rack on the table.

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Most places (all?) in AC require you to at least take a working stack out of your rack, although it's not always enforced.

Where was it that you were expected to play out your rack? Viejas and/or Sycuan in San Diego?

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no rack is pretty common

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does any vegas spot allow racks ? I haven't played in any that allowed it there. How is L.A. ?

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Definitely not enforced at Caesar's. At 1/2 NL the other day, a guy at my table played out of his rack for a few hours. Whenever he went all in, he would just slide the whole rack into the pot. Gheyest thing I ever saw and I couldn't help lol'ing every time.

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Actually it's (more) unusual to have a room that will let you play out of a rack, then the other way around.

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I'm not sure if there is a rule for it in L.A., but I know when I play at Hollywood Park, every once in a while there is some douche playing out of a rack fumbling chips everywhere and usually the dealer doesn't say anything. This may be an anomaly though.

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No racks on the table at Caesar's In. Nothing on the table big enough to hide a card under and no electronic devices on the table. Ipods are fine, keep them off the table. Oh, can't talk on your cell phone sitting at the table or during a hand.

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Where I play, you aren't supposed to have racks on the felt - the official reason is that it could invalidate a bad beat jackpot (ostensibly anything on the felt big enough to hide a card under could invalidate it). This is generally enforced pretty strictly, as you can imagine.

Generally there is a fair amount of leniency with regard to having racks stacked up on the rail. I think that officially you aren't supposed to do it unless you are getting ready to leave the game (waiting for the big blind to come around), but lots of players get ready to cash out, then decide to play an extra orbit, etc... until it's 2 hours later and their chips are still racked up on the rail. Players who do this almost always keep a stack on chips on the felt to play with and bet and such. I've never actually seen anyone stupid enough to only pull chips out of the rack when it's time to actually put them in the pot, but I think if they did the dealer or floor would ask them to take all their chips out of the rack.

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PS. Chipr777, you will like the rule as soon as everyone adjusts. Playing out of a rack really slows down the game.

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We just went to a no racks on the table rule starting today. I'm curious about this rule at other casinos across the country. Will they let you play out of a rack at your local casino?

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My rooms allows racks on the table though players aren't supposed to play out of them. Of course keeping people from playing out of them is next to impossible. You tell a player they need to keep a working stack out and they nod and smile, and as soon as you turn your head the working stack jumps right back into the rack.

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I like no racks allowed in small games.

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The Monte Carlo in Vegas as the silliest rule I have come across.

No racks allowed on the table, unless the rack is holding chips won from the high hand jackpot (these chips play -- its just that these magical chips are allowed to remain in a rack).

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3 hands and you either have to stand up or table your chips.

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Horseshoe in council bluffs iowa you can rack up, but when the button gets to you you must either leave or unrack. Reasoning was to prevent hidden cards, but all tables (I think?) have auto-shuffler which would catch a missing card, so I don't know the real reason.

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All the casinos I've been to in Florida don't allow having the racks on the table.

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The two places I play in the Bay Area - The Palace and Artichoke Joe's - don't allow playing out of racks.

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The real reason is that playing out of a rack slows the game down.

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(I'm sure I've posted this in the past.)

Place I worked at announced, "Starting at midnight, the new 'No Racks On Table' rule goes into effect."

I scoffed. It shouldn't speed up the game THAT much.

I was dealing at 12:00 when the racks were removed. The pace of the game picked up CONSIDERABLY. The difference was staggering. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed it. I went from "skeptical" to "convinced" in less than one minute.

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They allow racks at the Gold Coast where I stayed during this year's WSOP. One night playing drunken 4-8 half kill it just worked out that on my side of the table no one was using racks and the other side of the table had a bunch of nits with all their chips racked up. I started a battle with the "Stacks " vs the "Racks" that finally got everyone at the table to loosen up and unrack their chips for once. The last old lady finally broke down when even the other locals were like "don't you want to be a stack instead of a rack?"
Goot times at The Gold Coast

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In AC, it all depends on the dealer, but most places require a working stack as someone posted before.

I've that rack slide at Caesar's before as well. It's amusing. I feel playing out of the rack slows up a game though. Rather annoying.

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(I'm sure I've posted this in the past.)

Place I worked at announced, "Starting at midnight, the new 'No Racks On Table' rule goes into effect."

I scoffed. It shouldn't speed up the game THAT much.

I was dealing at 12:00 when the racks were removed. The pace of the game picked up CONSIDERABLY. The difference was staggering. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed it. I went from "skeptical" to "convinced" in less than one minute.

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The announcement itself probably didnt hurt.

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so I don't know the real reason.

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The real reason is that playing out of a rack slows the game down.

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Racks also give you a large enough item on the table to cover cards. I missed it, but friends were playing when someone was caught doing exactly this. Player claimed it was an accident, of course. But supposedly when the tapes were reviewed it was clear that this guy intentionally picked up a rack, covered a card, and dragged the rack back in front of him when nobody was looking. Said person protested when told he was leaving the property claiming he'd just checked in. They explained to him that he would be escorted up to gather his things from his room and he was never ever to return to this or any other Harrah's property.

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Playing out of a rack is encouraged at Casino San Pablo in the SF Bay area. It actually speeds the game up because they play no limit with $1 chips. The dealers will sometimes rack up part of the pot if it gets big in the middle of the hand so it doesn't take all night to push two or three hundred chips to the winner.

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Playing out of a rack is encouraged at Casino San Pablo in the SF Bay area. It actually speeds the game up because they play no limit with $1 chips. The dealers will sometimes rack up part of the pot if it gets big in the middle of the hand so it doesn't take all night to push two or three hundred chips to the winner.

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Sounds like someone there missed the point of having the chips.

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I work as a dealer at the Commerce in L.A. and no one has ever mentioned playing or not being allowed to have racks on the table. Players (especially new ones obviously) play with racks all the time, and no one has ever commented on it.

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the story i heard in the bay area is; if you have a rack on the table, the hand is inelligable for a bad beat jackpot.

but i also got the feeling this was something legislated on a local level.

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At Foxwoods no racks on the table. Although I have seen people do it anyway. Typical yes/no/sometimes/maybe at Foxwoods. God I hope competition comes soon! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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When I was in Vegas, no one had racks on the table except for 2-4 limit at Excalibur, where everyone was playing out of a rack. Being a live poker noob I just left mine in the rack as well.
I won a $275 high hand jackpot at golden nugget, which was given to me as a rack of chips. I wasn't sure if these chips were supposed to be in play, but I left them in the rack and considered them out of play. It wasn't until a couple dealer changes later that the dealer asked me to unrack the chips and I explained they were from a HHJP and were never in play, and he was OK with that.
Whats the rule on these jackpots? Is the money in play? Or is it the players choice?

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They do not have this rule at any room in AC, as far as I know,

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The Borgata wouldnt let me play out of a rack.

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the story i heard in the bay area is; if you have a rack on the table, the hand is inelligable for a bad beat jackpot.

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A dealer at one of my local rooms admitted that they apply this myth to discourage inconvenient customer practices such as playing out of a rack, keeping small bills on the table and cell phone usage.

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San Jose, Ca, no racks unless coloring up or getting ready to leave.

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San Jose, Ca, no racks unless coloring up or getting ready to leave.

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This is the rule at every nor. Cal. cardroom I have ever been to (which is most of them). Most places will allow you to have racks on the table for one orbit while you play to your blind as you are getting ready to leave.

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All the casinos I've been to in Florida don't allow having the racks on the table.

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They allow players to play out of a rack at Gulfstream. It's annoying because you always have people fumbling with it on their action.

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The rule differs from room to room whether you are allowed to take them off the table, however they should not allow you to keep the chips on the table (rack or not) they aren't in play.

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I've seen this rule start two nasty arguments.

One when a local in a WA casino just went off on a guy for having a rack on the table that might invalidate the jackbot and one when a Vegas local wasn't allowed to play out of one after dealers had ignored it for like 3 straight downs (and then he ran into the wrong dickhole over macho dealer at the Wynn).

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No replies yet from Casino AZ? I am surprised.

They are very strict about the rack rule at Casino AZ. NO racks at all in the small limit games, except within 1 hand of sitting down, and 1 hand of getting up. Pretty easy rule to follow, but the occasional person will try to get 4-5 hands after racking up by stating "color up", but for the most part, its widely followed, and is because of the bad beat jackpot rule as well.

For the higher limits of 20/40+, racks are allowed on the table. I usually chose not to, just because I enjoy having large stacks of chips, but sometimes I will if I know I will have to move games within 30 minutes or so.

So yeah....Go Sun Devils!!!

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chipr777 - It's about time imo.
Was kind of surprised you guys hadn't made this change sooner.

I think allowing racks on the table is good for one thing: Identifying the players who actually like to play out of the rack. More often than not they are going to 'out' themselves as a crappy-ish player anyway. But seeing them try to dig a bet out of the racks is like a nice advanced-preview of what to look for.