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Karl Rove Steals Elections
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005
Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. |
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American and investigative reporter for the BBC, [/ QUOTE ] Stopped reading after that. |
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[ QUOTE ] American and investigative reporter for the BBC, [/ QUOTE ] Stopped reading after that. [/ QUOTE ] That's always smart. Just listen on CNN and Fox news. Nothing to see here guys! Govman has figured it out, BBC = Trash. |
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Well, in all fairness, should you let people with BAD TEETH tell you about corruption in your country? They've got BAD TEETH. Maybe if they wanted to inform me about a corrupt ruling class they should GET BRACES and FLOSS first.
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For those that would rather read Palast than watch this video:
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program The Goods on Goodling and the Keys to the Kingdom The Tears of a Clone: Conyers Closes in on Karl and his Rove-bots A fun audio interview confirms Palast's blind allegiance to Democrats: [ QUOTE ] Palast explains the oil game in Iraq, the deal behind the U.S. attorney scandal, Hillary Clinton’s shameful corruption and her husband’s pardon of arch-criminal Mark Rich, and the deal struck by Republicans to impeach Bill only for the silly sex scandal instead of his felonious relationship with the Indonesian Riady family billionaires as long as the Democrats promised not to expose the Republican’s felonious connections to the American Koch family billionaires. [/ QUOTE ] and to opponents of the war on Iraq: Palast eviscerates George Galloway |
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Well, in all fairness, should you let people with BAD TEETH tell you about corruption in your country? They've got BAD TEETH. Maybe if they wanted to inform me about a corrupt ruling class they should GET BRACES and FLOSS first. [/ QUOTE ] Also the BBC has a clear lack of focus on the latest Lindsay Lohan escapades; clearly not a reputable news organization. |
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In case everyone missed it, the BBC recently admitted it is biased. This is like the sun admitting it is hot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...in_page_id=1770 |
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Well if Buchanan hadn't have run Bush would have won easily.
Well if Rove hadn't cheated Gore would have won. Well if the election hadn't been called earlier more Republicans would have voted and Bush would have won. Well if Nader hadn't run it wouldn't have been close and Gore would have won. Well if there weren't fake dead people voting for Gore, Bush would have won. Well if Florida didn't intentionally disenfranchise thousands of black people, Gore would have won. There are a couple more that I am forgetting but these should do it. Just pick the one that suits your personal biases the best and you are off to the races FTW!!! |
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In case everyone missed it, the BBC recently admitted it is biased. This is like the sun admitting it is hot. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...in_page_id=1770 [/ QUOTE ] Ah, yes, an accusation (and a documented confession!) of "bias." Very informative, but do you have any thoughts on anything in the articles, video, or audio interview presented here? While we're attacking the messenger here I'd point out that the source for your claim of bias is biased itself. How meta! PS-Here's my favorite section from the Wikipedia article on the Daily Mail. |
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Ah, yes, an accusation (and a documented confession!) of "bias." Very informative, but do you have any thoughts on anything in the articles, video, or audio interview presented here? While we're attacking the messenger here I'd point out that the source for your claim of bias is biased itself. How meta! PS-Here's my favorite section from the Wikipedia article on the Daily Mail. [/ QUOTE ] First, do you agree that the BBC has a liberal bias? If you don't, you are denying what BBC officals have admitted. I find it interesting that liberals will almost never admit that any news outlet can be liberally biased, but are very quick to point out conservative bias. If a paper/tv/radio station can be conservatively biased, cannot one be liberally biased? Or is that just plain impossible? Ok, you don't like my link to the Daily Mail on the BBC story. How about these: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...06-details/Yes,%20we%20are%20biased%20on%20religion%20and%20poli tics,%20admit%20BBC%20executives/article.do http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...17/nbbc217.xml http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6763205.stm In this BBC article, it quotes former BBC editor Andrew Marr saying, "the BBC has an innate liberal bias." I just cannot understand why you won't admit this? This is like a conservative saying Fox News is totally balanced and impartial. Just admit the obvious, especially when the people who work there already have. |
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What do you want me to say? The statement "The BBC is liberally biased" is so loaded and contextual that it's meaningless. It would have a different meaning if I said it than if you said it, and god only knows what someone reading it would interpret it to mean.
I'm generally much more comfortable dealing in specifics than vague generalities. Otherwise we just run around in circles defining our terms, establishing the frames of discussion, etc. I'm fine with it now and again, but overall I'm just tired of it. PS-Your first link borks the column width of this thread, which is a pet peeve of mine. Could you use TinyURL for it and edit your post? |
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I find it interesting that liberals will almost never admit that any news outlet can be liberally biased, but are very quick to point out conservative bias. If a paper/tv/radio station can be conservatively biased, cannot one be liberally biased? Or is that just plain impossible? [/ QUOTE ] I think they are willing to admit that the People's Weekly World has a pro-proletariat point of view. But that's about it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. |
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[ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. [/ QUOTE ] About a minute in he claims that OBL at SH were at war. </palast> |
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When SH invaded Kuwait OBL offered to the Saudi Princes to go in there and kick his ass. The Saudi's laughed, declined and sent him off to Afghanistan.
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I have furiously googling various subjects over the last 45 minutes in an attempt to find a conspiracy theory which Nielso will not believe. No such luck so far. Will report back when results come.
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When SH invaded Kuwait OBL offered to the Saudi Princes to go in there and kick his ass. The Saudi's laughed, declined and sent him off to Afghanistan. [/ QUOTE ] So you agree, they were not at war. TY. |
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"So you agree, they were not at war. TY."
By your logic, since the U.S. didn't invade Iraq back in the 90's they are not currently invading and occupying Iraq currently. |
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"So you agree, they were not at war. TY." By your logic, since the U.S. didn't invade Iraq back in the 90's they are not currently invading and occupying Iraq currently. [/ QUOTE ] You stated quite plainly that OBL offered to go war and didnt as your only comment and did not present anything further as evidence they were at war. If you think they were, here's one more opportunity to support it, don't blow it again or you will start to sound like.....you. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. [/ QUOTE ] lol, he really embarresses himself there. But it's typical, you know. People who know so much about the lies and atrocities of the state, and this guy particularly knows a lot, but then the question of 9/11 arises and he just can't wrap his head around it, and he becomes very hostile. It means that they cannot, for one second, even ponder the plausibility of the theory, and anyone who tries to do it must be attacked immediately. Basic psychology. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. [/ QUOTE ] lol, he really embarresses himself there. But it's typical, you know. People who know so much about the lies and atrocities of the state, and this guy particularly knows a lot, but then the question of 9/11 arises and he just can't wrap his head around it, and he becomes very hostile. It means that they cannot, for one second, even ponder the plausibility of the theory, and anyone who tries to do it must be attacked immediately. Basic psychology. [/ QUOTE ] I'm at work and can't watch the video right now, but I've watched it in the past and I think you're mischaracterizing Palast's responses. I remember Palast specifically mentioning investigating claims of controlled demolotions, etc. and not finding anything to support that conclusion. He didn't just dismiss the theory as nonsense, but he did come to a different conclusion than you did. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. [/ QUOTE ] lol, he really embarresses himself there. But it's typical, you know. People who know so much about the lies and atrocities of the state, and this guy particularly knows a lot, but then the question of 9/11 arises and he just can't wrap his head around it, and he becomes very hostile. It means that they cannot, for one second, even ponder the plausibility of the theory, and anyone who tries to do it must be attacked immediately. Basic psychology. [/ QUOTE ] I'm at work and can't watch the video right now, but I've watched it in the past and I think you're mischaracterizing Palast's responses. I remember Palast specifically mentioning investigating claims of controlled demolotions, etc. and not finding anything to support that conclusion. He didn't just dismiss the theory as nonsense, but he did come to a different conclusion than you did. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe watch again. He starts off very reasonable, objective, calm, but then it turns ugly, and then it just builds on itself (he becomes uninterruptable, loud, starts making strange claims and avoids the questions asked). |
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Have any of the people who are complaining about Rove stealing the election and such bothered to look at how many votes the Republicans lost by the election being called early for Gore? Why do I doubt this....
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Have any of the people who are complaining about Rove stealing the election and such bothered to look at how many votes the Republicans lost by the election being called early for Gore? Why do I doubt this.... [/ QUOTE ] Why don't you tell us? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...58769441262005 Greg Palast, American and investigative reporter for the BBC, has exposed the GOP and Karl Rove as criminal thugs. The media is off in the corner, flirting with some floozy, but the internets are fighting back. [/ QUOTE ] Good vid. [/ QUOTE ] Nielsio, I'm guessing you won't like Palast as much after viewing his thoughts on 9/11 (not) being an inside job. [/ QUOTE ] lol, he really embarresses himself there. But it's typical, you know. People who know so much about the lies and atrocities of the state, and this guy particularly knows a lot, but then the question of 9/11 arises and he just can't wrap his head around it, and he becomes very hostile. It means that they cannot, for one second, even ponder the plausibility of the theory, and anyone who tries to do it must be attacked immediately. Basic psychology. [/ QUOTE ] I'm at work and can't watch the video right now, but I've watched it in the past and I think you're mischaracterizing Palast's responses. I remember Palast specifically mentioning investigating claims of controlled demolotions, etc. and not finding anything to support that conclusion. He didn't just dismiss the theory as nonsense, but he did come to a different conclusion than you did. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe watch again. He starts off very reasonable, objective, calm, but then it turns ugly, and then it just builds on itself (he becomes uninterruptable, loud, starts making strange claims and avoids the questions asked). [/ QUOTE ] Hey Niels, the sky is red, the sky is red. I'm going to keep responding to every post you say with this. I wonder how long it would take you to get irritated with me. Simply being angry/frustrated says nothing about the validity of your point. Cody |
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Simply being angry/frustrated says nothing about the validity of your point. [/ QUOTE ] See, for example, this BBC reporter losing it while investigating Scientology. |
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[ QUOTE ] "So you agree, they were not at war. TY." By your logic, since the U.S. didn't invade Iraq back in the 90's they are not currently invading and occupying Iraq currently. [/ QUOTE ] You stated quite plainly that OBL offered to go war and didnt as your only comment and did not present anything further as evidence they were at war. If you think they were, here's one more opportunity to support it, don't blow it again or you will start to sound like.....you. [/ QUOTE ] I'm no Osama Bin Ladin or Sadam Hussein expert; I don't claim to know whether they were or were not at war. I did know this particular incident, which I thought was pretty relevant, did happen and so I brought it up. Do not misconstrue this to mean something else, to suit your agenda. |
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In a February 12, 2003 statement
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Hey Niels, the sky is red, the sky is red. [/ QUOTE ] The sky sometimes is red, yes. Good job. |
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[ QUOTE ] Have any of the people who are complaining about Rove stealing the election and such bothered to look at how many votes the Republicans lost by the election being called early for Gore? Why do I doubt this.... [/ QUOTE ] Why don't you tell us? [/ QUOTE ] The basic argument is that the networks called Florida for Gore at 7:50pm EST, with the polls closing at 8:00pm EST. However the panhandle part of florida is in the central time zone, so the polls didnt close there for another hour. the panhandle is heavily conservative. Some people think that a lot of bush voters ended up staying home because the election had already been called for gore. People like Palast aren't interested in what actually happened during the election, they are interested in promoting one side. He may actually be right about what Rove did, I don't know, but either way I don't give him very much credibility. The same way I wouldn't give much credibility to someone who ran around complaining about the "liberal media bias" which called the race early but ignored the other claims. |
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In a February 12, 2003 statement [ QUOTE ] In very clear words, Osama bin Laden told the people of Iraq to rise up against both American aggression and against "socialist" Saddam Hussein. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] another one who posts in irrelevant comment responding to the claim they were AT WAR. You may also not want to put too much trust in public statements by OBL. some war |
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Actually MrMon, you're pretty much wrong there too. The People's Weekly World mainly functions to bamboozle workers and leftists into voting for the democratic party. |
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Actually MrMon, you're pretty much wrong there too. The People's Weekly World mainly functions to bamboozle workers and leftists into voting for the democratic party. [/ QUOTE ] That's only because the Democrats are acting as a placeholder until the CPUSA gets its wind back and reenters the battle for the hearts and minds of the American worker. |
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I'm irritated. Palast makes a huge statistical error about 4:30 in.
He first says taht the statistics demonstrate that if you are a black voter, your vote is 900% more likely to be miscounted than if you are white. Fine, I don't doubt it. Then he goes on to mention the New Mexico results in 2004 - that Bush won by 5,900 votes with 30,000 miscounted. He then goes on to say that 88% of the miscounted votes, based on the 900% statistic, came from black voters. Seriously. [censored] horrible. Watching the rest of it now. |
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"People like Palast aren't interested in what actually happened during the election, they are interested in promoting one side. "
The reason Palast found out about this, is because Karl Rove sent him 500 e-mails detailing what he was doing. The BBC register GeorgeWBush.com the campaing e-mail was GeorgeWBush.org hilarity ensues. He's not simply a partisan... he is a partisan with A LOT of evidance. |
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People like Palast aren't interested in what actually happened during the election, they are interested in promoting one side. He may actually be right about what Rove did, I don't know, but either way I don't give him very much credibility. The same way I wouldn't give much credibility to someone who ran around complaining about the "liberal media bias" which called the race early but ignored the other claims. [/ QUOTE ] I find the tactic of offering one's opinion and then treating it as fact to be the perfect example of logical fallacy. In regards to the above, perhaps one should be more concerned about the credibility of the information that both he and Kennedy offered to their audience than with challenging his personal credibility based upon opinion? Did you watch the whole video? Please re-view the last 15 minutes. Knowledge is power, and Ignorance is bliss…….until the blissfulness wears off and one has to deal with the ugliness of reality. |
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I'm irritated. Palast makes a huge statistical error about 4:30 in. He first says taht the statistics demonstrate that if you are a black voter, your vote is 900% more likely to be miscounted than if you are white. Fine, I don't doubt it. Then he goes on to mention the New Mexico results in 2004 - that Bush won by 5,900 votes with 30,000 miscounted. He then goes on to say that 88% of the miscounted votes, based on the 900% statistic, came from black voters. Seriously. [censored] horrible. Watching the rest of it now. [/ QUOTE ] Hilarious especially in light of the fact that New Mexico has less than 50,000 black residents total (according to 2005 census estimates). |
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"He first says taht the statistics demonstrate that if you are a black voter, your vote is 900% more likely to be miscounted than if you are white. Fine, I don't doubt it."
Is that what he said? Or did he say if you live in a BLACK MAJORITY PRECINCT, your vote is 600% more liekly to be miscounted? |
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