Chop chat from Sun.Million
 

plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson

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plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson

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lol - so what happened next?

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is there someone i can invoice for the cost of downloading and reading this

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is there someone i can invoice for the cost of downloading and reading this

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I often wonder the same thing while reading your pointless replies.

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is there someone i can invoice for the cost of downloading and reading this

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I often wonder the same thing while reading your pointless replies.

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LOL

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is there someone i can invoice for the cost of downloading and reading this

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I often wonder the same thing while reading your pointless replies.

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It's actually a pretty funny chat if you read it all: Sunday

Cliff Notes: Everyone wants to split with 6 left exept Plasticard, who turns down $150k guaranteed because he wants more. Plasticard goes out 5th, netting $59k and bringing the lolz from thos involved.

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classic

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Outstanding sir! Smooth move Plastic.

Me, I would have taken the deal, but much respect to him for going for the win.

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plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson

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Proves that retarded kiddies have taken over online poker. Try acting like your retarded self in a live poker room and see what happens.

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plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson

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Proves that retarded kiddies have taken over online poker. Try acting like your retarded self in a live poker room and see what happens.

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That retarded kiddie cost himself over 80k by not chopping.
He could have rented a Jenna look alike for a month and had money left over.

lmfao

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ha ha at the implication that the behavior in live poker-rooms is somehow mature.
The people in live poker-rooms get drunk and act like freaking idiots and this is when they aren't being completely rude and obnoxious and throwing their cards or chips and dropping f-bombs in front of little old-ladies, etc.

If not in agreement with my personal experience than just turn on the TV. Most televised tourneys feature some pretty awful behavior and it doesn't have to be just Hellmuth or Matusow to qualify.

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ha ha at the implication that the behavior in live poker-rooms is somehow mature.
The people in live poker-rooms get drunk and act like freaking idiots and this is when they aren't being completely rude and obnoxious and throwing their cards or chips and dropping f-bombs in front of little old-ladies, etc.

If not in agreement with my personal experience than just turn on the TV. Most televised tourneys feature some pretty awful behavior and it doesn't have to be just Hellmuth or Matusow to qualify.

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True, but it is more profound online.

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Yea, the offer was a chip split -30k for 1st. My understanding is a pure chip split favors the big stacks, where as X% for the "chair" and 100-X% for "chips" favors small stacks the larger X is.

I'd have taken a pure chip split in a heartbeat.

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plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson

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Proves that retarded kiddies have taken over online poker. Try acting like your retarded self in a live poker room and see what happens.

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What would happen to him in real life? Would someone beat him up? lol,

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Yea, the offer was a chip split -30k for 1st. My understanding is a pure chip split favors the big stacks, where as X% for the "chair" and 100-X% for "chips" favors small stacks the larger X is.

I'd have taken a pure chip split in a heartbeat.

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Yeah, pure chip-split tends to do that is my understanding too.
This situation wasn't exactly and even chop but it was reasonably close:

Lee Jones [Support]: Zutz: $100,472
Lee Jones [Support]: Pehtoori: $106,038
Lee Jones [Support]: lb: $110,592
Lee Jones [Support]: plastic: $150,595
Lee Jones [Support]: Garbanzito: $129,312
Lee Jones [Support]: Say "agree" if you do
Pehtoori: agree
plasticard: i want 170k
lb6121: i want 10k out of plastic
lb6121: arer u crazy
Pehtoori: I want jenna jameson
lb6121: u got a fat bit allready u should give less
Zutzman: no way your gewtting another 20k on top
lb6121: no chance
Lee Jones [Support]: and no way you're getting jenna jameson
Pehtoori: damn
Zutzman: lee is kinky
plasticard: no agree

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why is it that a pure chip split favors big stacks? it makes some sense to me if there are multiple similary sized big stacks. but i would imagine if there is one clearly dominant stack, like in this past sunday million, it might be beneficial for the big stack to play it out due to bullying equity. if the stacks were 11M, 5M, 4M, 4M, 3M, the 11M could continually push around the shorter stacks who want to move up the significant pay ladder and pick up a lot of chips. yes? no?

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i remember reading an ICM experiment on STTs that found that larger chip stacks were disadvantaged by it.


The survey was, broadly, this:

a) Look at chip stacks after x many hands in a STT

b) Look at EV on ICM ("chip split") at point (a)

c) Look at actual payouts

d) compare (b) and (c)

It found that big stacks did better than ICM expected, and small stacks did worse than ICM expected.


There may have been some inherent player biases involved too, as it:
a) involved 2p2'ers, who were more likely to have larger chip stacks

and

b) regardless of (a), larger chip stacks are inherently more likely to be held by better than average players ('cause that's a reasonably good definition of a better than average players)



(hopefully this compensates for my low content post earlier in the thread, and makes up for the genuinely funny comment by my abuser)

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Small stacks individual chips are 'more valuable' than a larger stack's individual chips. The more chips you have the less each individual one is worth.

The winner of the tournament is essentially said to suffer a 'bad beat' according to Mason. He has ALL the chips, but doesn't get all the money, he only gets 20% or whatever.

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Small stacks individual chips are 'more valuable' than a larger stack's individual chips. The more chips you have the less each individual one is worth.

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Yes, that's a fairly basic concept of tournament play.

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The winner of the tournament is essentially said to suffer a 'bad beat' according to Mason. He has ALL the chips, but doesn't get all the money, he only gets 20% or whatever.

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...which is why ICM exists. I've always assumed that a "chip split" is based upon ICM. Doesn't it?

Of course, I know that Mason's quote is out of context, but he's not Robinson Crusoe in recognising a difference between chipEV and $EV in a tournament.