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Villain in this hand seems to be very good, I'm not 100% sure but I think he plays for a living, I've been told he always sits at the table with about 20k. He's a young guy and is very aggressive post flop from the few hands I've seen. He also looks to play alot of cheap pots preflop, limping a lot but not calling too many raises.

Villain probably views me as standard TAG, I haven't been too active in the time we've been at the table together. The one pot we've played together with any significant action I straddled, he and the BB limp I make it 160 he calls. Flop is K42, 2 hearts he checks I bet 200, he makes it 600 I call, turn is the 7 of hearts he fires 800 I fold.

Now onto the hand I start the hand with 6500 he covers, I pick up AA in the CO, 4 people llmp including villain, I make it 140 he's the only caller.

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4x, he donks for 300 into me, I make it 1k, he repops to 2300, and I???

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Is this the kid who looks/talks like an emaciated eminem?

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Shove

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LOL, yea that sounds like a decent description of him, super skinny, big ears, his name is Jimmy.

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Shove? 4 is unlikely, no? don't think he's play jacks full like this.

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If the kid you're talking about is who AZK mentioned (he looks anorexic almost), then I think you play for stacks here.

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I also want to add that he was the last limper, if that changes peoples opinion of his range at all.

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Shoving here is why Jimmy is rich [or at least seem so].

From the short time I played against him, he's loose but he's not THAT aggressive. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up with a 4 here, especially if he's the last caller pre-flop and some dead moneys there. Also, do you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

FWIW, I think you're toasted against Jimmy here most of time. He probably has a 4 or better at least 60% of the time. His flush draw frequency depends on whether you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or not. I doubt this is a Jack from him, so probably 5-7%, which I think is generous. In fact I think he probably has air more times than a Jack with the flop action thus far.

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sounds like youre trying to find a justification to fold this hand. exactly what hands can he have here that beat you?

JJ, A4s, 45s?

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LOL, yea that sounds like a decent description of him, super skinny, big ears, his name is Jimmy.

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he's really good... but also incred loose.. id call.

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sounds like youre trying to find a justification to fold this hand. exactly what hands can he have here that beat you?

JJ, A4s, 45s?

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i logged a decent amount of time iwht him and it's not without the realm of possibility for him to have K4s, Q4s, J4s, T4s, 94s, 84s, .. he likes suited cards. he's vpiping roughly 50 to 60%. he's wicked easy to exploit in position because he doesnt find folds pre too easily, but he plays v well postflop, so the comments that this is a 4 "alot" are solid.

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Shoving here is why Jimmy is rich [or at least seem so].

From the short time I played against him, he's loose but he's not THAT aggressive. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up with a 4 here, especially if he's the last caller pre-flop and some dead moneys there. Also, do you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

FWIW, I think you're toasted against Jimmy here most of time. He probably has a 4 or better at least 60% of the time. His flush draw frequency depends on whether you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or not. I doubt this is a Jack from him, so probably 5-7%, which I think is generous. In fact I think he probably has air more times than a Jack with the flop action thus far.

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Yea I should've put that I had black Aces.

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jimmy is loose but he doesnt stack off light, a lot of his success comes from the illusion that he's nuts when in spots like this he almost always shows up with a big hand.

he's one of the better year round players in the game and gets lots of action from live ones.

he's probably got some kind of 4x here 60% of the time, i've never seen him take a line like this with a FD

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i played a ton with him the last few weeks and i think you're toast most of the time. he never has JJ and i doubt he's playing a low fd like this, so it's 4x most of the time and Nfd the other few times imo. he's not going to go crazy with Jx here unless he's trying to bluff you off an overpair which i doubt he's going to be doing very often

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depends on the player if to push or just fold here

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i prob wouldnt raise flop.

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Really? What would be the reason?

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i prob wouldnt raise flop.

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Really? What would be the reason?

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way ahead/way behind?

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this is a super easy fold against him.

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i prob wouldnt raise flop.

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Really? What would be the reason?

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way ahead/way behind?

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Not if he has a flush draw. And on this board I think the raise gets called by a lot of hands that have 2 outs.

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Don't raise flop.

As played fold.

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depends on the player if to push or just fold here

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Thanks.

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For those saying don't raise, what do I do on a non J no diamond turn and he leads for 600? Am I putting in a raise now, what if he checks? Bet/Fold?

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I start the hand with 6500 he covers, I pick up AA in the CO, 4 people llmp including villain, I make it 140

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if you're not gonna raise way more preflop, then you better be willing to dump your hand facing this much postflop action.

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the comments that this is a 4 "alot" are solid.

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id call.

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this looks like jacks full.

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Seems like pretty easy fold, his line doesnt look like a flushdraw and your playing for your whole stack here. Raise much more preflop since he seems to call with marginal hands, also with this many limpers and your small raise you might end up with 4 callers. I also would just call flop.

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Just wanted to reiterate that Jimmy looks like a [censored] poltergeist.

OP, I think you are toast here a LOT of the time.

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yall are talking about holocaust victim looking kid who always wears a detroit tigers hat right?

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ajaxx, yes.

tuckercat, that's pretty much the worst read in this thread. are you serious?

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ajaxx, yes.

tuckercat, that's pretty much the worst read in this thread. are you serious?

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no its not, whats the difference between him leading with JJ or a4 here? if im raising the flop, then im probably going with my hand. id just call the flop with him leading into the whole field though. as played, i think i fold.

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ajaxx, yes.

tuckercat, that's pretty much the worst read in this thread. are you serious?

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if we're talking about the same guy, why is such a bad read? he's more than capable of putting hero on hand like AA... in which case why is it so hard to believe that he would bet out jacks full?

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moussa, the whole field is just 1 person. which makes it even more of a call on the flop. no reason to raise at all... the risk/reward is just too high, and you're nuts if you think you're getting 3 streets of value from QJ anyway.

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He's good enough to know that he can take a line like this with a flush draw against someone he believes to be a thinking player becuase he's pretty sure they'll often drop a big pair.

He is aggressive but he picks his spots fairly well. I have played a fair amount with him and I think that sometimes he has very poor bet sizing and pays off some hands when he should fold. That being said, he does know what he's doing and wont' stack off for 6500 too lightly. I think that you're gonna see 4x here about 2/3 of the time from him.

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ajaxx, yes.

tuckercat, that's pretty much the worst read in this thread. are you serious?

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if we're talking about the same guy, why is such a bad read? he's more than capable of putting hero on hand like AA... in which case why is it so hard to believe that he would bet out jacks full?

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because he's never overlimping JJ here and then flat calling a raise. never

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ajaxx, yes.

tuckercat, that's pretty much the worst read in this thread. are you serious?

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no its not, whats the difference between him leading with JJ or a4 here? if im raising the flop, then im probably going with my hand. id just call the flop with him leading into the whole field though. as played, i think i fold.

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did you read the hand? there were 3 limps, villain limped, hero raised to 140, villain was only caller- that's never JJ from this guy. then it's hu on the flop, he's leading hu oop, not into the whole field

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moussa, the whole field is just 1 person. which makes it even more of a call on the flop. no reason to raise at all... the risk/reward is just too high, and you're nuts if you think you're getting 3 streets of value from QJ anyway.

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lolol i definately didnt read this hand right. i deffffff just call the flop then with him leading into me.

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if he has JJ he has virtual nuts, and if you have a draw is more likely to want to give you a free card to hit it, instead of 3 betting and maybe getting your draw out. if he has a 4 he doesnt want to let you see that flush card, so he is raising you, and he knows that if you have overpair on that flop you might be putting him on a flush draw and be likely to call or re-raise all in. he has a 4 or nothing at all.

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wat is that kid's deal anyway, why doesnt he play like 25/50 or bigger, he always buys in 10k+. i guess he does pretty well at 10/20 tho, so no reason to fix what isnt broken.

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if he has JJ he has virtual nuts, and if you have a draw is more likely to want to give you a free card to hit it, instead of 3 betting and maybe getting your draw out. if he has a 4 he doesnt want to let you see that flush card, so he is raising you, and he knows that if you have overpair on that flop you might be putting him on a flush draw and be likely to call or re-raise all in. he has a 4 or nothing at all.

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no