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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks...

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Bet flop.

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Shouldn't we raise this pf ?

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Yeah, probably: didn't see that the limper was a poster,

About the flop play: I think checking here should be almost standard.

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I don't like checking the flop because I like to lead here with all my draws and often checking made hands makes me a bit easier to read.

I'm certainly not folding the turn.

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Bet out on the flop. You almost certainly have the best hand as CO can have any two, and probably raises any ace preflop.

Without any read on CO you can't expect him to bet the flop, so I'm definitely getting a bet in. What do you do on the turn if the flop is checked through?

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Some things to consider

1. There are no real draws on this board, so your comment about checking here makes you readable isn't important.
2. You aren't only checking made hands, but most of the time air. So a check should not alarm your opponents
3. I didn't even consider folding the turn.

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Since we didn't raise PF, I don't mind a flop check. We probably have the best hand, the pot is tiny, and I wouldn't mind if CO took a stab at this.

I'm tempted to check/call the turn as well. The pot is still small, so I don't mind giving a free card. Also, I wouldn't be happy if I check/raised the turn becauase I'd have odds to call the 3-bet to try to improve and would then still be tempted to call the river UI because of how I've under represented my hand.

So if I check/call the turn, I'm probably donking any river.

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*grunch*
for me at unraised pot HU i autobet any card to take pot and many player know about it so if i dont auto bet then they think somehing is wrong and i can have good hand.

but this hand is special cus villian probably is not so smart (post blind random) so we can play tricky like nix said cus pot is so small that free card cost us almost nothing

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i would just lead the flop. why do you want to be so fancy when we are OOP against an unknown with a decent but vulnerable hand? he'll either find a reason to call or he won't, but he can't call unless you bet.

edit: and yeah, we should raise pf.

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1. There are no real draws on this board

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lol?

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i would just lead the flop. why do you want to be so fancy when we are OOP against an unknown with a decent but vulnerable hand? he'll either find a reason to call or he won't, but he can't call unless you bet.

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He can't call if I don't bet, but he also can't bluff if I bet. All hands with two cards between 3 and A, and that are a lot of hands, can't really call a flop bet. When the pot is this small (just 1BB) gaining a single small bet from a hand that would have folded to a bet otherwise is a huge win and since the pot is so small and there aren't even overcards possible on the turn giving a free card is absolutly no problem.

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vulnerable hand

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Vurnerable? If I'm ahead a huge part of his range is drawing to:

1. runner runner two pair/trips
2. another part of his range has 2 outs (small pp's)
3. another part of his range has 4 outs (gutshot)
4. some part has 5 outs (pair)
5. and a really small part of his range is drawing to 7 outs (pair + gutshot).

I even have a (gutshot)redraw against the wheel.

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1. There are no real draws on this board

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lol?

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I don't understand why you respond with 'lol?' It looks pretty obvious to me that it's a dry board.

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hielko, there's a straight draw on the flop and a flush draw on the turn. the guy posted so he could have anything. this board is scarier than an actual dry board like q72 rainbow.

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also i sometimes lead this flop and sometimes checkcall and sometimes checkraise. it's a common spot and a good time to vary and mix up your play.

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why didn't you raise preflop?

you didn't give us any reads, so I see no reason to get screwy with tpwk. just lead the flop. since you didn't, why no c/r?

this hand is kind of weird.

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BBB: on the flop the only straight draw is a gutshot straightdraw and there is no flushdraw.

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why didn't you raise preflop?

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Didn't notice that the limper was in fact a poster.

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since you didn't, why no c/r?

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Because you will lose a huge amount of value versus worse hands and bluffs.

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there's a straight draw on the flop and a flush draw on the turn.

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also i love how every hielko post turns into hielko vs. the world

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also i love how every hielko post turns into hielko vs. the world

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Dont pick on Heilko.

He was trying to induce his opponent into trying to take him off the best hand.

I dont really like the play though, because it involves giving too many free cards.

Its risky and has no guarantee of working.

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fantam, i'm not picking on him

hielko and i have both been around a while [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

and yes i know what he was doing, and i don't mind it, as you'll see from my posts

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LOL BBB. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I will stop trying to be a policeman. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I typically take a c/c, donk line here. I hate betting here as CO will be betting any pair here and that's about all he can have that you beat and will call a bet.

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I typically take a c/c, donk line here. I hate betting here as CO will be betting any pair here and that's about all he can have that you beat and will call a bet.

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Whoehoe finally someone who also hates betting the flop here [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Fantam, I don't think giving free cards is much of an issue in this hand because we are facing one opponent in a tiny pot.

I think you should just raise preflop and bet the flop.

I raise this preflop even if CO is open-limping and not posting.

As you played, I would check/raise the flop. I want to get as many bets in now while villan will be more likely to call. Which is part of why I raise preflop.

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I typically take a c/c, donk line here. I hate betting here as CO will be betting any pair here and that's about all he can have that you beat and will call a bet.

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Whoehoe finally someone who also hates betting the flop here [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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FWIW I like betting more if we correctly raised pf but you already know that was a mistake so I didn't mention it

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Raising preflop and checking an Ax flop would be really fishy, so we agree on that too :P

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since you didn't, why no c/r?

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Because you will lose a huge amount of value versus worse hands and bluffs.

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well I certainly like c/ring this flop more than I like c/ring this turn. At this point, without a read, I'm calling down from here or betting the river if he checks the turn.

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I wasn't planning on C/R the turn either.

Just check/call, check/call, bet river
Or what I do more often: check/call, bet turn

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I wasn't planning on C/R the turn either.

Just check/call, check/call, bet river
Or what I do more often: check/call, bet turn

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I like this too. Especially the first line.