TT as overpair on undercard board from hell
 

Villain has been pretty aggressive so far, opening a lot of pots. He's only been at the table for 30 hands though, and hasn't gone to showdown yet. He has not done anything stupid yet, and his stats are 42/39 so far over those 30 hands. He has only 3-bet once, and folded the only other time he got 3-bet (which was by me). I doubled up earlier with a set over set.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $394.00
BB: $542.40
UTG: $522.00
Hero (CO): $787.00
BTN: $573.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $34.00

Flop: ($102) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, UTG calls $65.00

Turn: ($232) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $145.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $667.00?</font>

Re: TT as overpair on undercard board from hell
 

why would you shove on the turn

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why would you shove on the turn

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Because he's representing that he's unsure about his hand strength.

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what? you are bluffing?

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No, I think I have the best hand unless I'm up against jacks or maybe queens. I don't think he has a straight and I doubt he ever has a set. Calling is obviously terrible, so it's either fold or shove. Considering how terrible that board is, I think a lot of players would fold, but his line doesn't really make sense for one that is beating me. He's probably raising that flop if he hit a set or a draw.

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ewww

fold turn maybe?

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Is it possible to get called by worse hands?

No?

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hate it would just call turn if I thought I was ahead.

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He's got half his stack in. I puke on just about any river that he open-shoves on.

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I would be puking when he lead this turn but maybe that is just me. I mean what are you hoping he has? In terms of actual hands that he would play this way that are worse. He is 42/29 sure, but there are way too many two pair/straight combos given this board and I doubt he is ever bluffing here given the preflop action. I also like a much larger flop bet and a larger preflop bet. I think you set yourself up for this spot. Against a smaller stack sure but you need to size bets on prior streets so there is less money left on this turn.

Preflop I make it 52/54. Flop I bet 90% of pot on flop. I don't do this against most players but this guy is 42/29 and probably isn't paying that much attention. I think inflating the size of the pot on the turn makes this decision easier one way or the other and makes your play more valid.

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I hate it too but you are the pooh bah.

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I would be puking when he lead this turn but maybe that is just me.

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What do you put him on that beats me? Jacks or queens, but even those he's probably raising the flop. I thought he had a lone 8. I really think his bet screams he doesn't want to commit himself.

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I think narrowing a 42/29 range here to {QQ, JJ, an 8} is a mistake. he can pretty much have all the set, two pair combos, or a straight on this board given how deep you are. More importantly I think QQ-JJ and a 8 check this turn a lot even if he is a donk. If he has showdown value but can't really VB why is he betting here? Not just going to assume he is so dumb that he bets QQ-JJ, 8 on this turn.

Re: TT as overpair on undercard board from hell
 

Is a 42/29 really playing this flop like this with JJ-QQ?

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I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be slowplaying a flopped set or two pair. I don't know that he's a donk, he's just been LAG for the 30 hands that he's been at the table. His play so far has been standard, AFAIK since I haven't seen any of his hands yet. It was 42/39, not 42/29. He seems positionally aware in the 30 hands so far, so I put that into consideration.

If I'm up against a two pair, then he most likely has 86 or 56. Straight would probably be 87. But his bet sizing makes me feel that he's unsure about the strength of his hand, so I don't think he has the straight.

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This is bad, you are crushed by his range here and he obviously never calls when behind, and often calls when he's ahead. If you think there's a good chance he just has an 8 than call the turn....I just don't get the point of shoving in this spot.

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i bet you got shown exactly 66/77

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sweet aoiuefhcdishvldiuhvds what the hell

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Bet more on the flop? but as played I think the board coordinates with such a huge portion of his range (42% vpip??) that nothing else makes sense but to fold. Knowing this however i think a turn check is in line as well but I don't mind ur bet much either..

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Come on you can find a better spot vs. this guy. I would just fold to his turn lead.

If you really think he often has a one pair hand worse than you, then I think pushing is best because I suspect he will call with any 1 pair hand and possibly any flush draw.

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I guess it was just one of those times where I just have to go with my gut. I was just about 100% confident that with the line he took, he was weak.

Results below:
<font color="white"> I tanked a while and pushed (as you can see), he tanked a while and called with 98 of spades. River was a 5 and MHIG. </font>

Re: TT as overpair on undercard board from hell
 

I knew you won this hand because there is NO way anybody would post it if they lost.

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lol nice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I stil think its bad lol

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Don't like this at all, if the turn was blank you could prob shove the turn for value.

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bad play
this guy is obv a idiot who never folds JJ or QQ even given this board. he cann also lead out with a straight.... fold and find a better spot

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"range"