nl 200 - JTs
 

PokerStars 200 NL Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks &amp; Stats
CO ($391.80)
BU ($279.85)
SB ($198) (18/13/2.68/28) (667h)
MP ($221)
UTG ($235.45)
Hero ($200)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $27</font>, SB calls $19.

Flop: ($57) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $38</font>, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises to $76</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $171.

my first hand on that table

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I don't see whats wrong with calling the flop.

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dont like calling , because if the turn is a blank and he bets again im in big trouble.

i could shove the flop then

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you even have the outs to call just for the pot odds and fold a blank turn then.
I dunno if shoving flop is better ,but imo fold is def. too weak.

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I don't like pf against a 18/13.

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Call.

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I don't like pf against a 18/13.

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his Att to steal is about 35

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo, unless you have strong read he let's go if he misses - that is, given mediumish stacks, and u already got position, and with a very playable hand. No point in bloating it. As played I would shove.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

I could call/fold/shove here just depending on metagame.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

I could call/fold/shove here just depending on metagame.

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Players "bluff" their position so much these days that I think most in SB here wouldn't give it credit for a big hand based solely on preflop play. Sorry, that is what i meant by not much value.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

I could call/fold/shove here just depending on metagame.

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Players "bluff" their position so much these days that I think most in SB here wouldn't give it credit for a big hand based solely on preflop play. Sorry, that is what i meant by not much value.

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It doesn't matter tha much if he gives us credit for a big hand. He will still fold a lot bc he is opening a wide range from SB and most of them play very badly OOP even if our range is huge. When he is ready to get together and play back we adjust, etc.

3-betting SB opens is definitely something most SS players don't do enough of.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

I could call/fold/shove here just depending on metagame.

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Players "bluff" their position so much these days that I think most in SB here wouldn't give it credit for a big hand based solely on preflop play. Sorry, that is what i meant by not much value.

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It doesn't matter tha much if he gives us credit for a big hand. He will still fold a lot bc he is opening a wide range from SB and most of them play very badly OOP even if our range is huge. When he is ready to get together and play back we adjust, etc.

3-betting SB opens is definitely something most SS players don't do enough of.

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Generally I like to maintain strong pot control until I'm ready to commit to the hand, and so normally I'm not a fan of building a pot relative to eff stack preflop with marginal/mediocre hands. Not to say I would fold here pre but just that I'd aim to take it down postflop while keeping pot small until I figure I have best hand or can steal. Against solid players I don't think the 3bet here is a good play. I do like it though if he's weak/easy to steal from pre/postflop, as u say is most likely the case.

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When an 18/13 calls my 3 bet and the board looks like this, i think i'm check calling flop.

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my flop bet on this board would be around 48-49 and I'd fold to a raise

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I think I would CRAI.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

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no [censored] sherlock... but you are turning a hand with decent implied odds with position into a bluff... why?

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Yes. I agree that preflop it is better to call than to raise, especially since our hand is worth dick against his calling range. If you want to bluff why not raise a lot of flops in position?

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I think I would CRAI.

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Gl with that in position [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I call flop, sweet odds. Fine 3-bet preflop.

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I think I would CRAI.

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Gl with that in position [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I call flop, sweet odds. Fine 3-bet preflop.

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Nvrmind, I thought we were against the BTN.

I would just call PF, and call the flop raise.

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I'd prefer call preflop, not much value to the raise imo,

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It's not for value. This we call bluffing.

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no [censored] sherlock... but you are turning a hand with decent implied odds with position into a bluff... why?

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Yes, it's a hand with good implied odds and plays well in position. Does that mean that calling has higher EV than raising? Not necessarily, no. I call here a lot of the time but I also 3-bet, because putting pressure on in posiion against someone with a weak range is hugely profitable, especially if you have a hand with some value.