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fearme 07-25-2007 04:36 AM

what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
stock newbie here needs to know who to vote for

pig4bill 07-25-2007 11:22 AM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
The Dems want to raise capital gains rates and change the dividends tax rates back to what they were. So the not only will the incentive to buy stocks be lessened, but there will be less money to invest as well. There will be less incentive for companies to pay dividends, and less money left over by dividend receivers to reinvest.

spider 07-25-2007 11:52 AM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
The one that doesn't want to continue to spend $7 or $8 billion per month keeping troops in Iraq on top of whatever you think is the monetary cost of lost lives & health, plus the value of the associated negative branding of the US internationally.

maxtower 07-25-2007 12:01 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
Easy, it's Ron Paul.

pig4bill 07-25-2007 12:47 PM

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The one that doesn't want to continue to spend $7 or $8 billion per month keeping troops in Iraq on top of whatever you think is the monetary cost of lost lives & health, plus the value of the associated negative branding of the US internationally.

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Yeah, that's really had a killer effect on the stock market the last few years.

irunnotgood 07-25-2007 01:04 PM

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The one that doesn't want to continue to spend $7 or $8 billion per month keeping troops in Iraq on top of whatever you think is the monetary cost of lost lives & health, plus the value of the associated negative branding of the US internationally.

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Yeah, that's really had a killer effect on the stock market the last few years.

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Look where the value of your dollar has gone.

DJSHAD0W 07-25-2007 01:05 PM

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stock newbie here needs to know who to vote for

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This really is a goofy question [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I believe over the last many decades the market has done better while democrats where in power, but that doesn't mean there is a causal relationship there....
If you want more $$ to the rich and no online poker -> go republican
If you want justice for all and a chance at online poker -> go democrats

But then there is one more thing to consider.... the market is said to have done best when no one parts controls presidency, house and senate...... sort of the stalemate idea, where noone can screw things up

ilikeaces86_ 07-25-2007 01:53 PM

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Any republican.

sylar 07-25-2007 02:03 PM

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best candidate to vote for is whoever promises to cut deficit and pay down the US debt, like clinton did in '92-'00.

bond markets FTW.

r3vbr 07-25-2007 02:18 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
War is good for stocks and the economy.

The US GDP grew an average of 25% each year during 1943-1945
Germany also. WWII actually lifted a recession

r3vbr 07-25-2007 02:20 PM

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that said, I think the market would react very well to Rudolph Giuliani

spider 07-25-2007 03:03 PM

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The one that doesn't want to continue to spend $7 or $8 billion per month keeping troops in Iraq on top of whatever you think is the monetary cost of lost lives & health, plus the value of the associated negative branding of the US internationally.

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Yeah, that's really had a killer effect on the stock market the last few years.

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Question is not whether stocks have done well, it's whether they would be doing better or worse w/o the Iraq invasion.

So what do you think? W/o the invasion would stocks be higher or lower than currently?

pig4bill 07-25-2007 09:56 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
Moot point. Had a Dem won the election we wouldn't have gotten the tax breaks that stimulated the market and economy.

There's also no telling how many more attacks would have occurred if there were no war. They would certainly have had a demoralizing effect on the market and economy.

GoodCallYouWin 07-25-2007 10:29 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
This guy :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_HuFtP8w8

GoodCallYouWin 07-25-2007 10:31 PM

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"War is good for stocks and the economy."

Fallacy; war is good for weapons companies and bad for everyone else. If the governmnet build 10,000 cars and dropped them into the ocean, would that be good for the economy? That's what war does. Google broken window fallacy for more info.

jt082005 07-26-2007 03:04 AM

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War is good for stocks and the economy.

The US GDP grew an average of 25% each year during 1943-1945
Germany also. WWII actually lifted a recession

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I generally agree with the 1st part, but that WWII lifted the recession...I don't know about that. I know some people agree with that line of thought, but I saw interesting piece somewhere on the return to the free market after the war that did it

spider 07-26-2007 10:15 AM

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Moot point. Had a Dem won the election we wouldn't have gotten the tax breaks that stimulated the market and economy.

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Hard to say what the exact policy would have been. Note that Clinton signed the 1997 tax cut (TRA). Also very hard to attribute general economic performance solely to some tax cut or tax increase. Note for example that the 90s boom was preceded by (quite mild, despite the idiotic rhetoric) tax increases signed by Bush 1 & Clinton (OBRA91 & 93).

One thing we can say is that the tax increases of 91 & 93 were necessary because the Reagan tax cuts produced too large of a deficit/debt. Same thing with the current tax cuts -- debt will eventually get too high if we stick with current policies, so within a few years we'll have to either raise revenue or cut spending.

If you want to disagree with the last point, be sure to tell me why a Republican Congress & Republican President scheduled the tax cuts to expire after 2010.

ahnuld 07-26-2007 12:00 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
Who would be the worst?

Hillary "fortress america" Clinton

hlacheen 07-26-2007 01:53 PM

Re: what presidential candidates are best for stocks?
 
Anyone who can get us out of the financial mess Bush and his band of idiots put us in.

Thremp 07-26-2007 02:17 PM

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The President really has a very minor effect on what the markets do. Note Clinton and how the market did during his tenure... What did he do? Other than set-up a bubble?

irunnotgood 07-26-2007 02:24 PM

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The President really has a very minor effect on what the markets do. Note Clinton and how the market did during his tenure... What did he do? Other than set-up a bubble?

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I think starting wars has some effect on the economy. Also, Greenspan had more to do with the bubble than Clinton.


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