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PLAY THE RUSH

PokerStars Game #11121086974: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/07/25 - 00:10:43 (ET)
Table 'Justitia V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: doughnutz ($9176 in chips)
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r ($6732 in chips)
Seat 4: papawhitt ($8374.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Minh Tai ($3900 in chips)
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks ($11416 in chips)
Minh Tai: posts small blind $50
PapaWarbucks: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [7d 7h]
doughnutz: raises $100 to $200
ScHnibL0r: raises $100 to $300
papawhitt: folds
Minh Tai: raises $100 to $400
Betting is capped
PapaWarbucks: folds
doughnutz: calls $200
PokerSnoopy has returned
ScHnibL0r: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6c 7c]
Minh Tai: bets $100
doughnutz: calls $100
ScHnibL0r: calls $100
*** TURN *** [Qd 6c 7c] [7s]
Minh Tai: bets $200
doughnutz: raises $200 to $400
ScHnibL0r: folds
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $600
doughnutz: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6c 7c 7s] [Kc]
Minh Tai: bets $200
doughnutz: raises $200 to $400
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $600
doughnutz: raises $200 to $800
Betting is capped
Minh Tai: calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
doughnutz: shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Minh Tai: shows [6d 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Sevens)
doughnutz collected $4398 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4400 | Rake $2
Board [Qd 6c 7c 7s Kc]
Seat 1: doughnutz showed [Kd Ks] and won ($4398) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r folded on the Turn
Seat 4: papawhitt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Minh Tai (small blind) showed [6d 6h] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks (big blind) folded before Flop

Re: i forgot rule #1
 

I thought it was 'you don't talk about fight club'

Is this fold standard for limit?

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I don't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure I did the math like 4 years ago and to play a hand like this for set value alone it's not profitable unless you get the dreamiest of boards and setups.

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Schneids I think I found the dreamiest of boards and setups

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I don't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure I did the math like 4 years ago and to play a hand like this for set value alone it's not profitable unless you get the dreamiest of boards and setups.

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To expand on that, putting in 2 more bets with a pocket pair, for set value, was very marginal-barely +EV in normal-aggro game conditions...so 3 bets cold is going to be -EV.

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Rule #1:

DONT FOLD A PAIR IN LIMIT [censored] HOLD THEM

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so schneids since its only me and you in here let me run a hypothetical situation by you

Lets say I play nl50, am a marginal loser, and take no heed to math, odds, or even logic really when I play cards

how would I do in a game like limit?

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I don't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure I did the math like 4 years ago and to play a hand like this for set value alone it's not profitable unless you get the dreamiest of boards and setups.

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To expand on that, putting in 2 more bets with a pocket pair, for set value, was very marginal-barely +EV in normal-aggro game conditions...so 3 bets cold is going to be -EV.

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Putting in 3 SB with 13SB already in the pot. I think a set is 7.5 to 1 IIRC so you'll need to get 8 more SB in. Maybe this will happen, but I think the main worry, actually, is with all that raising, overpairs are seeing all 5 cards and who knows if your set will even hold.

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Rule #1:

DONT FOLD A PAIR IN LIMIT [censored] HOLD THEM

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UNLESS YOU ARE AN ADVANCED PLAYER LIKE PHIL LAAK AND PLAYING AGAINST TEH MACHINES. DONT LISTEN TO JENNIFER TILLY PHIL WHAT DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT BIG LAYDOWNS

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July 24th - 3:38 PM PST
Phil +$1290 (488 hands played)
Big Hand. Hand 488 sees Laak dealt pocket Kc Kd. Phil raises - Polaris calls. Flop comes Qh 2h 4d. Phil raises again, and Polaris just calls. Ac hits on the turn and Phil pauses. Tilly chimes in from the crowd saying Polaris may know the ace is a scare card. Phil folds his Kings and and his lead is down to $1290.

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That Minh Tai guy was at my 2/4 table tonight bought in for $24 ...Busto? Wasn't he a 100/200 regular or no?

I like the guys style , runs up $24 to 106 and then insta jumps to 5/10 ..obv going to be back at 100/200 very shortly.

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dude didnt u know playing the rush is more of a big bet game not some limit bullsmack

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dude didnt u know playing the rush is more of a big bet game not some limit bullsmack

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PokerStars Game #11121086974: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/07/25 - 00:10:43 (ET)
Table 'Justitia V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: doughnutz ($9176 in chips)
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r ($6732 in chips)
Seat 4: papawhitt ($8374.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Minh Tai ($3900 in chips)
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks ($11416 in chips)
Minh Tai: posts small blind $50
PapaWarbucks: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [7d 7h]
doughnutz: raises $100 to $200
ScHnibL0r: raises $100 to $300
papawhitt: folds
Minh Tai: raises $100 to $400
Betting is capped
PapaWarbucks: folds
doughnutz: calls $200
PokerSnoopy has returned
ScHnibL0r: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6c 7c]
Minh Tai: bets $100
doughnutz: calls $100
ScHnibL0r: calls $100
*** TURN *** [Qd 6c 7c] [7s]
Minh Tai: bets $200
doughnutz: raises $200 to $400
ScHnibL0r: folds
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $600
doughnutz: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6c 7c 7s] [Kc]
Minh Tai: bets $200
doughnutz: raises $200 to $400
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $600
doughnutz: raises $200 to $800
Betting is capped
Minh Tai: calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
doughnutz: shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Minh Tai: shows [6d 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Sevens)
doughnutz collected $4398 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4400 | Rake $2
Board [Qd 6c 7c 7s Kc]
Seat 1: doughnutz showed [Kd Ks] and won ($4398) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r folded on the Turn
Seat 4: papawhitt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Minh Tai (small blind) showed [6d 6h] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks (big blind) folded before Flop


NOT SURE WHAT GAME YOU PLAY, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE PRETTY BIG BETTING TO ME

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dude didnt u know playing the rush is more of a big bet game not some limit bullsmack

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demon102
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Loc: trying not to lose at .02nl


Yeah ur way too baller (note you don't even deserve to be called balla) to be playing 100/200 lhe

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PokerStars Game #11121086974: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/07/25 - 00:10:43 (ET)
Table 'Justitia V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: doughnutz ($9176 in chips)
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r ($6732 in chips)
Seat 4: papawhitt ($8374.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Minh Tai ($3900 in chips)
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks ($11416 in chips)
Minh Tai: posts small blind $50
PapaWarbucks: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [7d 7h]
doughnutz: raises $100 to $200
ScHnibL0r: raises $100 to $300
papawhitt: folds
Minh Tai: raises $100 to $400
Betting is capped
PapaWarbucks: calls $300
doughnutz: calls $200
PokerSnoopy has returned
ScHnibL0r: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Qd 6c 7c]
Minh Tai: bets $100
doughnutz: calls $100
PapaWarbucks: raises $100 to $200
ScHnibL0r: folds
Minh Tai: calls $100
doughnutz: calls $100
*** TURN *** [Qd 6c 7c] [7s]
Minh Tai: checks
doughnutz: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $400
doughnutz: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
Minh Tai: raises $200 to $800
PapaWarbucks: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Qd 6c 7c 7s] [Kc]
Minh Tai: bets $200
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $400
Minh Tai: calls $200

*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks shows [7d 7h] (a four of a kind sevens)
Minh Tai: shows [6d 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Sevens)
PapaWarbucks collected $4598 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4600 | Rake $2
Board [Qd 6c 7c 7s Kc]
Seat 1: doughnutz folded on the Turn
Seat 3: ScHnibL0r folded on the Turn
Seat 4: papawhitt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Minh Tai (small blind) showed [6d 6h] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks (big blind) shows [7d 7h] and won with a four of a kind sevens


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FYPot

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dough is not check/folding kings on that turn.. nor should anybody

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I don't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure I did the math like 4 years ago and to play a hand like this for set value alone it's not profitable unless you get the dreamiest of boards and setups.

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To expand on that, putting in 2 more bets with a pocket pair, for set value, was very marginal-barely +EV in normal-aggro game conditions...so 3 bets cold is going to be -EV.

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What are you gonna buy with all your new Skalnsky bucks?

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just think if this was NL you would be $13,000 richer...
although thats like what 2 big bets for you?

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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what the fr0ck is all this maths and pokers and strategheys sheezle? i thought i was in BBV.

[x] thread too intelligent for BBV
[x] too many serious posts
[ ] baller purchase

wrong topic, DUCY?

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you have a pair.. I thought you didn't fold pairs in limit holdem, I mean it's only 4 bets for you to call preflop, seems like a bargain.

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schnieds, jean gluck would be 4500 richer.

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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um, can someone explain this please?

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dough is not check/folding kings on that turn.. nor should anybody

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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um, can someone explain this please?

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Some rumor that the cards are randomized with every individual action, which my devils advocate mind just says, "well its another randomation, could be the same anyway"

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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um, can someone explain this please?

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Certain sites, stars being one of them have a predetermined deck, others the cards are randomized every time a card gets dealt.

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I thought it was 'you don't talk about fight club'



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No, its the one about keeping the Gremlins out of the daylight...

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/

We understand that a use of a fair and unpredictable shuffle algorithm is critical to our software. To ensure this and avoid major problems described in [2], we are using two independent sources of truly random data:

* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source


Stake Monster 1
Stupid Troll 0

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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um, can someone explain this please?

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http://www.drdonnica.com/images/celeb_madden.jpg

EEEuhhh, you see you've got a poker room over here

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7...enroom1jq3.jpg

and in the poker room you've got limit games over here

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6...enroom2ec2.jpg

and no limit games over here

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7...enroom3ba8.jpg

And uhhhh, the limit games are limited, and the no limit games don't have a limit to them. If you're a player who plays poker, then you want to play a game that either doesn't have a limit or has a limit.

So, then BOOM

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9...enroom4mv7.jpg

You go on a limit table, and you get some cards and you start playing your cards. Then you get a hand... you get a hand and and and and and and you want to bet that hand, because it's a good hand. But it's a limit table.

So then, if you go to a different table, a different table that doesn't have limits. Well, the cards you get will probably be different.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3...enroom5sm8.jpg

And then Brett Favre will come over (and he's obviously the best quarterback to ever live, because he's a player who plays the game) and he would probably say something to where he thinks the cards will be different.

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whoa i like the madden appearance - pretty solid effort right there.

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whoa i like the madden appearance - pretty solid effort right there.

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/

We understand that a use of a fair and unpredictable shuffle algorithm is critical to our software. To ensure this and avoid major problems described in [2], we are using two independent sources of truly random data:

* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source


Stake Monster 1
Stupid Troll 0

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none of that has anything to do with whether or not the hand is predetermined from original shuffle or if the cards are continuously shuffled

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lolz minbet is just math, so stupido, gayness

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cards woulda been different, whatever

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not on stars, troll.

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http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/

We understand that a use of a fair and unpredictable shuffle algorithm is critical to our software. To ensure this and avoid major problems described in [2], we are using two independent sources of truly random data:

* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source


Stake Monster 1
Stupid Troll 0

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none of that has anything to do with whether or not the hand is predetermined from original shuffle or if the cards are continuously shuffled

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jones has stated that the cards are NOT continuously shuffled.

FOOT in MOUTH

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awsome .. story

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whoa i like the madden appearance - pretty solid effort right there.

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lolz minbet is just math, so stupido, gayness

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any poker is just psychology, i mean you got to get into his head and make him hand over his money.

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