Why does everybody seem to hate Bush these days?
 

I know our country is not as good as it has been but in no way should that be viewed as the President's fault. Going to Iraq was a necessity at the time given the information we had and I don't think Bush gets enough respect. All in all Bush has done BETTER THAN ANYONE COULD given what he has had to confront in office.

1. 9/11

2. War on Terror/Iraq War

3. Gay Marriage/Abortion

4. Iran and North Korea (Big Four)

5. Economy (was going down when Bush entered office)


Most important, he is a man of morals and integrity unlike his former successor. Clinton had NO Christian values whatsoever and whatever he did have it was a joke. I'd rather have a good Christan who may not speak perfectly than an atheist who speaks better than anyone. The point of this post is to make you think about how you would do were you in his shoes given the circumstances. Obviously, he's got some support as he won the past two elections.

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Going to Iraq was a necessity at the time given the information we had and I don't think Bush gets enough respect

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No, they intentionally lied about it. They stand to profit from war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ


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he is a man of morals and integrity

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Wars of aggression, holding people for years without charge, torturing detainees, torturing children of detainess, etc.


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Clinton had NO Christian values

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What is a Christian value? Does it include the above? Because it sure seems so: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm


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Obviously, he's got some support as he won the past two elections.

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He rigged at least one. I believe that his support is currently around 20%, which means like 200 million (?) people disagree with him.




Also,

I'm pretty sure 9/11 was an inside job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0l0aWpH-ZM

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Thinking maybe I was being leveled or something by the OP, I go search through his post history:

Kicked douchebag's ass:

"So he's outside on their porch when I leave the house heading towards my car. I notice him, say nothing and keep heading towards my car. Well they live on a farm and have cat's literally everywhere. They must have like over 30. So I pass him and next thing I know I feel something big and sharp hit my back. I turn around and look down and realize the mother [censored] just through a cat at me! I ask him what the [censored] he's doing and he just grins. I say "I have a lot of fun banging your sisters." word for word and he gets up and he's close enough to where he lunges at me but I turn around like I'm running away and then turn back around and punch him right in between the [censored] eyes. He tries to get up and I keep kicking him until he gives up. Then I just leave. I got a text as I was typing this that him and his friends are going to come looking for me. Luckily I've got a few more than him and they're alot bigger.

Brag: Kicked douchebag's ass
Beat: Girl is mad
Variance: He want's more"




So now I'm definitely sure I'm being leveled.

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Thinking maybe I was being leveled or something by the OP, I go search through his post history:

Kicked douchebag's ass:

"So he's outside on their porch when I leave the house heading towards my car. I notice him, say nothing and keep heading towards my car. Well they live on a farm and have cat's literally everywhere. They must have like over 30. So I pass him and next thing I know I feel something big and sharp hit my back. I turn around and look down and realize the mother [censored] just through a cat at me! I ask him what the [censored] he's doing and he just grins. I say "I have a lot of fun banging your sisters." word for word and he gets up and he's close enough to where he lunges at me but I turn around like I'm running away and then turn back around and punch him right in between the [censored] eyes. He tries to get up and I keep kicking him until he gives up. Then I just leave. I got a text as I was typing this that him and his friends are going to come looking for me. Luckily I've got a few more than him and they're alot bigger.

Brag: Kicked douchebag's ass
Beat: Girl is mad
Variance: He want's more"




So now I'm definitely sure I'm being leveled.

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Christian values?

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Gay Marriage/Abortion

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Yeah, he sure tackled that gay abortion issue.

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BBV go home

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It's totally in to hate Bush now. Get with it.

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...All in all Bush has done BETTER THAN ANYONE COULD given what he has had to confront in office.

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2. War on Terror/Iraq War



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See the thread I started on mission changes in Iraq. Bush gets criticism when he changes the mission without building a political consensus. He's done this since 2003. He should expect criticism and deserves it.

See various posts on inconsistency in conducting a war to keep terrorists from carrying out attacks in the U.S. and having a porous border where millions gain access to the U.S. illegally. Seemingly people don't point this out enough IMO. It could be that the "War on Terror" is bogus and thus a porous border with Mexico isn't a major security risk. It could be that the "War on Terror" is legitimate and thus a porous border with Mexico is a major security risk. Bush seems to be stating that the "War on Terror" is legitimate and that a porous border with Mexico is no problem security wise. An inconsistent viewpoint at best. One might be able to argue that the last go round with the comprehensive immigration bill would have tightened security on the border considerably. If that's the case I'd sure like read why that is. Haven't heard one person among government officials and/or talking heads state that the failure to pass that bill meant that the U.S. missed a chance to enhance security a great deal. The overwhelming complaints I hear/read about were that a chance was missed to give illegals living in the states fair access to U.S. citizenship and/or legal status in the States. Border security was held hostage to changing the status of illegals working in the country. No reason why that should be the case IMO. One can be resolved without the other.

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I've hated him for much longer than that---it just took a while for everyone to catch up.

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Don't forget the Katrina fiasco. Its hard not to feel the monkey rage build up inside you when you think about that.

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Although I disliked him from the start I tried to cut him as much slack as I could. He has finally convinced me that, yes, he IS the arrogant, incompetent, imbecile that he appears to be. I used to tell people that he can't possibly be as stupid as he looks but, no, he is that stupid.

btw: His flying back to DC from Crawford to sign that last minute legislation during the Terri Schiavo fiasco was the last straw for me.

I'm hoping that there will be fireworks celebrations when he's gone. With some kind of appropriate 'good riddance' soundtrack to go with them.

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Although I disliked him from the start I tried to cut him as much slack as I could. He has finally convinced me that, yes, he IS the arrogant, incompetent, imbecile that he appears to be. I used to tell people that he can't possibly be as stupid as he looks but, no, he is that stupid.

btw: His flying back to DC from Crawford to sign that last minute legislation during the Terri Schiavo fiasco was the last straw for me.

I'm hoping that there will be fireworks celebrations when he's gone. With some kind of appropriate 'good riddance' soundtrack to go with them.

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..and people still think voting is a good idea...

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Although I disliked him from the start I tried to cut him as much slack as I could. He has finally convinced me that, yes, he IS the arrogant, incompetent, imbecile that he appears to be. I used to tell people that he can't possibly be as stupid as he looks but, no, he is that stupid.


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That pretty much captures my attitude toward Bush. It was always difficult to trust the grandson of Prescott and the son of George H.W., but I turned my head a few times. Then I realized what a total [censored] up ungodly idiot this man is.

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Silly sillygoose, I've hated this guy for 7 years. He's worthless, how can anybody defend this President? Are you a gimmick account? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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First of all I'm not saying he is the best President of all time. There have been better. But he is one of the good ones. Given what he has had to confront I would say he has done a damned good job and I dare you to say otherwise. That's the point of this post. Also Nielso, this post makes you look not so wise with words such as rigged...also that's UNBELIEVABLE that you think 9/11 was an inside job. What are you retarded?

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Why would America EVER want to destroy some of it's best buildings/big city? Wow is all I can say to that.

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all I can say is: did your parents have any children that lived? Because you, obviously, are in some other, parallel universe where brain cells are the most valuable, least populous particle around. Bush invaded a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, and was no direct threat to the U.S.; the "war on terror" has only strengthened Al-Queda and the recruiting therein; gay marriage: why do you give a rat's ass? and don't tell me "cuz that's what the Bible says", cuz it also says to have slaves, beat your women, and rape your daughters; abortion: why should you have any say so, dude, unless you have a vagina?; Iran and North Korea wouldn't be a threat if Bushit would quit acting like "to ignore a problem is to pretend it will go away"; the economy, wow; do you make over $100k a year? Because if you don't, let me tell ya, the economy doesn't feel so great; besides, the importance of the economy somewhat pales when compared to how the U.S. is viewed in the world community; and, last but not least, your assinine statement that Bushit is a "man of morals and integrity unlike his "former successor?" (isn't that an oxymoron?)btw: the word is predecessor. Bush has completely stomped on what makes (made?)this country so great: the Constitution. He has wiped his arse with it, and then laughed about it, PUBLICLY; he was told in the last election, by the people who supposedly put him in office, to change the way he is doing things in Iraq, and elsewhere, but he says 'nah, why change, when I'm leaving office soon anyway, who cares about a few American soldier's lives'; Clinton cheated on his wife; who cares? Bush was addicted to whiskey and coke; at least Clinton cared about human life; you call Bush a good christian, yet he careds not one bit about being honest with the voting public, nor about the lives of the soldiers; If I was Bush, I'd commit suicide; that'd be the best, most selfless thing he'd ever done...

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I know our country is not as good as it has been but in no way should that be viewed as the President's fault.


The price of being president is that you get all the credit and all the blame for everything that goes right and everything that goes wrong. The buck stops there.

Going to Iraq was a necessity at the time given the information we had and I don't think Bush gets enough respect.

He presided over an administration that one way or another gave him and the congress incomplete informaiton about WMD that turned out to be innaccurate. I don't believe he "lied" or that it's a big scheme to make money for big corporations. But I do believe that he did his best to error on the side of caution when faced with the threat of WMD. And in hindsight, he and his administration really screwed up. It's like playing a big hand in poker in which you put villain on a range of hands and "call" because you're ahead of his hand range. When he shows down the nuts, you may have made a "good decision at the time," but it's still your fault for getting stacked.

All in all Bush has done BETTER THAN ANYONE COULD given what he has had to confront in office.

This is impossible to prove or disprove. I believe he's doing his best. I also believe that I'm glad his term is up soon.

1. 9/11

2. War on Terror/Iraq War

These really weren't the same war until we invaded Iraq. But, now it is.

3. Gay Marriage/Abortion
I would advise people against both, but I'd prefer if the law allowed it. I don't like "conservatives" passing morality into legislation because you end up with laws against sending $ to poker sites and not being able to buy beer on Sundays.

4. Iran and North Korea (Big Four)

5. Economy (was going down when Bush entered office)
I am personally better off today than when Bush took office. I appreciate the tax breaks he made. I'll probably lose money when/if the Democrats get into office. For this, I'll give the current administration some credit.

Most important, he is a man of morals and integrity unlike his former successor. Clinton had NO Christian values whatsoever and whatever he did have it was a joke. I'd rather have a good Christan who may not speak perfectly than an atheist who speaks better than anyone.

I thought Jefferson was pretty good. But he wasn't a Christian in the sense that you might think of one. I'm not a big fan of guys who wear their religion on their sleeve while holding public office.

The point of this post is to make you think about how you would do were you in his shoes given the circumstances. Obviously, he's got some support as he won the past two elections.

Over half the country, by population, didn't even vote for him in the first election. Half the country always disliked and distrusted him except for a brief period after 9/11. And it's no surprie that late into his second term that he's getting bashed about the war as well as other administration problems and scandals. Second terms seem to be pretty tough on most presidents.



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First of all I'm not saying he is the best President of all time. There have been better. But he is one of the good ones. Given what he has had to confront I would say he has done a damned good job and I dare you to say otherwise. That's the point of this post. Also Nielso, this post makes you look not so wise with words such as rigged...also that's UNBELIEVABLE that you think 9/11 was an inside job. What are you retarded?

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You're the one who titled the post 'Why does everybody seem to hate Bush these days?' So we give you reasons and you don't like them. His ratings are mighty low. What, you think the entire American public is dumb? Err, don't answer that question. Still they are not so dumb as to not recognize a bumbling buffoon when they see one.

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all I can say is: did your parents have any children that lived? Because you, obviously, are in some other, parallel universe where brain cells are the most valuable, least populous particle around. Bush invaded a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, and was no direct threat to the U.S.; the "war on terror" has only strengthened Al-Queda and the recruiting therein; gay marriage: why do you give a rat's ass? and don't tell me "cuz that's what the Bible says", cuz it also says to have slaves, beat your women, and rape your daughters; abortion: why should you have any say so, dude, unless you have a vagina?; Iran and North Korea wouldn't be a threat if Bushit would quit acting like "to ignore a problem is to pretend it will go away"; the economy, wow; do you make over $100k a year? Because if you don't, let me tell ya, the economy doesn't feel so great; besides, the importance of the economy somewhat pales when compared to how the U.S. is viewed in the world community; and, last but not least, your assinine statement that Bushit is a "man of morals and integrity unlike his "former successor?" (isn't that an oxymoron?)btw: the word is predecessor. Bush has completely stomped on what makes (made?)this country so great: the Constitution. He has wiped his arse with it, and then laughed about it, PUBLICLY; he was told in the last election, by the people who supposedly put him in office, to change the way he is doing things in Iraq, and elsewhere, but he says 'nah, why change, when I'm leaving office soon anyway, who cares about a few American soldier's lives'; Clinton cheated on his wife; who cares? Bush was addicted to whiskey and coke; at least Clinton cared about human life; you call Bush a good christian, yet he careds not one bit about being honest with the voting public, nor about the lives of the soldiers; If I was Bush, I'd commit suicide; that'd be the best, most selfless thing he'd ever done...

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i disagree only with the last sentence. the situation could be much worse under the rule of intelligent vice-president.
i see one as being fame-hungry puppet in the hands of power hungry architect and dictator wannabe.

http://www.jakesjokes.com/gallery/al...ures_30503.jpg

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Why would America EVER want to destroy some of it's best buildings/big city? Wow is all I can say to that.

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Why would Germany EVER want to set fire to its own parliament building?

http://www.thedarksidecometh.com/blo...hstag-burn.jpg

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Don't forget the Katrina fiasco. Its hard not to feel themonkey rage build up inside you when you think about that.

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interesting word choice regarding that situation...

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A better question (in my opinion) is one for the Bush supporters:

What are the things that Bush has done really well? (not "what things, despite how hard it has been have turned out okay")

I'll get the ball rolling:

For conservatives, I think the Alito and Roberts appointments were good.

That's all that I've got.

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Quick without elaborating (will later if so desired).

1. Fiscal policy.

2. Support of Fed disinflationary monetary policy.

3. Support of traditional U.S. economic principles (could be tied in with 1 and 2 but I think he's done more with that).

4. Support of market alternatives for SS and medicare.

5. Rejection of Kyoto nonsense.

6. Support for increasing the available supply of oil available to consummers(have fun with that one).

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Personally, I agree with the goose on this one. George W. Bush is one of the top five presidents of this century. Sure he made some rough decisions but generations from now we will look back at him as a reformer much the way we look back at Harry Truman. True, Iraq was not the cause of 9/11, it was terrorist. But they are everywhere and you need some geographical reference for people to feel like we can "win". Most presidents would have just gone after Osama but Bush shows a lot of creativity here. GAY MARRIAGE IS WRONG. Bush doesnt hate gay people or young women any more than god does. Bush has the moral clarity to know that love between a man and another man should be kept secret. A lot of people would just look at dick Cheney and say to themselves "what a slimy old man." but they are forgetting that Dick cheney has worked his whole life in very tough positions and he used to be a young man from Wyoming with rippling abs and a warm bright smile that made your heart melt. Because he is so connected to our lord jesus christ he relizes that money doesnt really matter so he waste as much of it as possible

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A better question (in my opinion) is one for the Bush supporters:

What are the things that Bush has done really well? (not "what things, despite how hard it has been have turned out okay")

I'll get the ball rolling:

For conservatives, I think the Alito and Roberts appointments were good.

That's all that I've got.

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SC appoints good.... along with wanting to privatize SS, even though dems will fight to the death on that one. Tax cuts. Quick recovery from Clinton economic downturn and 9-11 economic crash.

Bad.... spending out of control, too much religious based jargon / action, medicare program growth, Katrina (although more blame should go to local, state gavt there)

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Wanting to privatize SS shouldn't count (in my opinion) because I think he should be judged on his accomplishments, not his desires. I mean, he also wants to effectively fight terrorists (which I support). Unfortunately, I don't think he's doing a good job at it.

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Wanting to privatize SS shouldn't count (in my opinion) because I think he should be judged on his accomplishments, not his desires. I mean, he also wants to effectively fight terrorists (which I support). Unfortunately, I don't think he's doing a good job at it.

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Point(s) well taken [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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Strange that you would attack so virulently when you dont have a clue what you're talking about:

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all I can say is: did your parents have any children that lived? Because you, obviously, are in some other, parallel universe where brain cells are the most valuable, least populous particle around. Bush invaded a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, and was no direct threat to the U.S. <font color="red"> What part of harboring, training and supporting terrorists isn't a threat to the US? All proven </font> ; the "war on terror" has only strengthened Al-Queda and the recruiting therein <font color="red">Al Qaeda proper...the OBL faction, is clearly not stronger, in fact its been rendered pretty useless, whether or not the growth of AQ splinter groups has grown more than it would have without the war in Iraq is impossible to prove one way or the other </font> ; gay marriage: why do you give a rat's ass? and don't tell me "cuz that's what the Bible says", cuz it also says to have slaves, beat your women, and rape your daughters; <font color="red">you got one right..sorta </font> abortion: why should you have any say so, dude, unless you have a vagina? <font color="red">because whether you agree or not, some people believe its murder, and it should be legislated, not defined by a questionable SCOTUS decision </font> ; Iran and North Korea wouldn't be a threat if Bushit would quit acting like "to ignore a problem is to pretend it will go away" <font color="red"> get your head out of the sand or whatever orifice its stuck in. Left to their own devices they are both huge threats </font> ; the economy, wow; do you make over $100k a year? Because if you don't, let me tell ya, the economy doesn't feel so great <font color="red">every part of the economy is better than it would have been under a Dem administration, because as shaky as Bush has been on spending, taxes are still lower, we are at full employment despite millions of illegal aliens in the job market, the stock markets are at record highs. If you don't make 100k a year, work harder or work smarter </font> ; besides, the importance of the economy somewhat pales when compared to how the U.S. is viewed in the world community <font color="red">nonsense. the world community's opinion is meaningless if we don't have a thriving economy to compete in the global marketplace. the world community respects economic power before anything else </font> ; and, last but not least, your assinine <font color="red">use spell checker if your'e going to criticize someone else's English </font> statement that Bushit is a "man of morals and integrity unlike his "former successor?" (isn't that an oxymoron?)btw: the word is predecessor. Bush has completely stomped on what makes (made?)this country so great: the Constitution. <font color="red">ORLY? What provisions has he stomped on that haven't been checked by SCOTUS, which is the way the system works. </font> He has wiped his arse with it, and then laughed about it, PUBLICLY; he was told in the last election, by the people who supposedly put him in office, to change the way he is doing things in Iraq <font color="red">It was a Congressional change, not a Presidential change. What has Congress done to change the way things are being done in Iraq, other than meaningless debates and attempts to pass window dressing? Congressional votes, which most directly reflect their constituencies opinions, belie the nonsense that there was an Iraq mandate in the last election </font> , and elsewhere, but he says 'nah, why change, when I'm leaving office soon anyway, who cares about a few American soldier's lives' <font color="red">I should trust your mind reading when you don't have the intellectual capacity to see the obvious </font> ; Clinton cheated on his wife; who cares? <font color="red">he lied to Congress and obstructed justice </font> Bush was addicted to whiskey and coke; at least Clinton cared about human life <font color="red">Im sure he does, but you have no basis to say anything different about GWB </font> ; you call Bush a good christian, yet he careds not one bit about being honest with the voting public, nor about the lives of the soldiers <font color="red">source? </font> ; If I was Bush, I'd commit suicide; that'd be the best, most selfless thing he'd ever done... <font color="red">more demonstration of your total lack of credibility, especially in a thread where you criticize someone elses empathy so frequently. If I were you I wouldn't post and embarass myself as thoroughly as you do here. </font>

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also that's UNBELIEVABLE that you think 9/11 was an inside job. What are you retarded?

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lol, i agree with the gimmick account.

I like nielso, and he offers some intelligent discussion. However, the whole 9/11 thing is a joke.

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Copernicus:

WOW. Just...WOW. Well played sir, and excellently argued on every point. Best post of this entire thread.

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George W. Bush is one of the top five presidents of this century.

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I don't know if this is part of the thematic leveling or merely an oversight...but pretty hard to be any lower than #2 for presidents in this century. Hopefully it was leveling.

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let's see, where do I begin: Iraq did not harbor, train, or support any terror groups, in any proven fashion, and I would guess that you are going to quote me some Bush-given "proof",right?; next, did you see the NIE from about 2 weeks ago that stated "all 16 US intelligence agencies say Al-Qaeda is every bit as strong as pre-9/11"?; next, no, not one, all three: the bible says all three are justified, read it, genius; next, you are right, "some people believe it's murder", the emphasis being on "some people"; some people shouldn't have the ability to legislate morality or law for the majority of citizens; you say we are at full employment "despite millions of illegal aliens in the job market": Bush wants to keep those illegal aliens here, in our country, taking our jobs, that you say are so plentiful; as for your statement that we would be worse off under a Dem gov't, that can't be proven, but it will be, in about a year and a half; don't criticize my grammar, dipshiit, when you say things like ORLY; I misspelled a word, you are too lazy to use the proper words; if you truly believe that the world's opinion of us "doesn't matter", then it's no wonder you are a Bush supporter; Our economy was very strong under Clinton, AND the world still respected our nation as a nation of law and morals; now we break our own rules regarding invasion of privacy, torture, etc...; what can congress do to change things when the president keeps vetoing the changes that congress passes down? admittedly, if the change doesn't have the supporters needed to override a veto, then that part of it isn't Bush's fault, but refusing to acknowledge the country's desire to change course is idiotic; you say Clinton lied to congress: so what? he got caught cheating on his wife, and you've probably done the same thing; Bush has lied to EVERY CITIZEN IN THE WORLD, REPEATEDLY, about the reasons for invading Iraq, the torture, the legality of his cabinet; I could go on ad nauseum (oh wait, did I spell that well enough for ya?); as for embarassment, I'm only embarassed that yet another so-called American actually can be as blind as you are; you follow not only the worst president this country has ever seen, but the worst example of a leader of a democratic country that this world has ever seen, and I fear that our grandchildren will truly bear the brunt of his deceptions...I respect your right to have the opinions that you do, but I certainly don't respect your opinions...

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Monolith,

If you're going to rant incoherently, please have the common courtesy to use paragraphs. The enter key is your friend.

Also, LOL at calling someone who disagrees with you a "so-called American". Ironic, considering this is exactly the type of thing you accuse people who disagree with you of calling you!

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next, no, not one, all three: the bible says all three are justified, read it, genius

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Did they spike your Kool-Aid before you drank it, or did you come up with this crap sober?

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Why does everybody seem to hate Bush these days?

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Everyone does not hate Bush but many people do and they are all misguided in my opinion. He receives much criticism but many powerful people get this treatment; it comes with the territory.

Bush has done a remarkably good job overall from the economy to stirring the world pot into a boil. He deserves much praise and the following list of goodies is to his credit; not all the following can be directly attributed to him but he has had some influence whether by design or not:



The Middle East is a tinderbox.

Russia may soon invade Eastern Europe (or its former territories) and aim missiles at Western Europe or at least resort to energy blackmail to leverage political and economic influence. Relations with Russia are at low ebb.

War with Iran is possible, or at least some limited military action.

North Korea is on the Run.

Libya caved.

Pakistan will soon collapse thus leading to a possible civil war that will drag in India and Afghanistan.

The UN is more and more irrelevant everyday.

The nuclear deal with India.

His ignorant attitude about China.

The Global War on Terror Canard is Masterful.

Unemployment is low and the economy has recovered and is doing well overall despite the huge hit from 9/11.

Koyto is dead.

Millions of intelligent people and idiots alike waste a tremendous amount of energy hating the man.


The one large but understandable mistake was invading Iraq, botching up the aftermath is less forgivable. It was easier to get at Iraq with the use of propaganda, recent history, and the UN sanctions. But it would have been better to invade Syria by way of Lebanon. This beachhead then secure a teaming with Israel and the Kurds for an all out assault on Iraq would have produce the desirable effect of turning the middle east into flames quicker and with a shorter duration war. Thus eliminating a long war of attrition, which plays into the hands of the terrorist goons, their fanatical followers, and their deluded sympathizers.

Le Misanthrope

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I do not hate Bush, but I think he is very close to the worst president we could possibly have right now. I have little to no expert knowledge on political science, economics or any of the fields the president has to deal with everyday. The problem is I have never heard any person who is smart say that Bush is a good president. I am pretty sure that I am smarter than 99.9% of Bush suporters. If smart people think Bush sucks I am willing to guess that he sucks, why aren't you? Deleted

Re: Why does everybody seem to hate Bush these days?
 

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I do not hate Bush, but I think he is very close to the worst president we could possibly have right now. I have little to no expert knowledge on political science, economics or any of the fields the president has to deal with everyday. The problem is I have never heard any person who is smart say that Bush is a good president. I am pretty sure that I am smarter than 99.9% of Bush suporters. If smart people think Bush sucks I am willing to guess that he sucks, why aren't you? Deleted

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You have little knowledge of what goes into his decisions so will abdicate your opinion to the opinion of those that you have both a) heard render an opinion and b)that you consider smart, and further think you are smarter than 99.9% of Bush supporters.

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