AQo bb 2/4
 

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players

no read

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

flop:8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls

turn:3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

river:Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero ????

b/f b/c c/c??

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

I think checkcall. Don't think he really ever checks behind with a hand he's calling with. Not enough value in a CR but it's certainly close.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

no reads just c/c

if I could trust villain I think that b/f or c/r/f would be more +ev, depending on how light they vb and how light they pay off on the river.

many weak villains will check behind weak pairs here fearing the Q, and lots of aggressive villains will bet and pay off a raise with those same weak pairs.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

Is check/folding the turn giving too much credit against an unknown?

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

flush draw

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

whoops, missed the flush draw.

I also like check/calling the river, if you bet/call and put in two you're not winning often enough, check/raise/folding sounds awesome but it's a line i never ever take except maybe on a "pure bluff" with some kind of read once every few thousand hands

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

i c/c that riv

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

looks like a check/raise to me

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

we should have the best hand most of the time, and b/c or c/r is the two options I like here. If I know villain was pretty agressive I would c/r but against an unknow and a possible flush i think I would b/c, pretty close thou.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

imo flop bet is a waste of a bet on that flop. i don't think there's value there; you'll also get raised here a ton by his range. i rather start by c/c and treating this as wa/wb.

the river seems like a c/r*. generally he'll only 3bet with a better hand and call with everything else.

*if he's passive, i lead that river.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

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imo flop bet is a waste of a bet on that flop. i don't think there's value there; you'll also get raised here a ton by his range. i rather start by c/c and treating this as wa/wb.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] im betting any 2 cards here that I 3 bet and I think theres plenty of value in a bet.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

nina there is def value in a bet. were ahead here a lot of the time and we often have villain dominated. robin this is most definitely not a wa/wb situation, I refer you to the post I recently linked to in the LC thread

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

I b/c here because I don't want to fold here vs unknowns and I think there is more value in b/c then there is in c/c. I like a c/r when you can fold to a 3bet but without reads I don't think you can.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

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imo flop bet is a waste of a bet on that flop. i don't think there's value there; you'll also get raised here a ton by his range. i rather start by c/c and treating this as wa/wb.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] im betting any 2 cards here that I 3 bet and I think theres plenty of value in a bet.

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sure you'll get effective value from KJ and A9 and the like but thats about it. everything else, pairs, smallish/mid pocket pairs, open enders like K6, ten outers like JT, and combo draws like overcard[s] plus flushdraw have you making zilch.

assuming about 30% opening range on the button, and excluding some of his capping range since he didn't cap, his button range vs your hand is actually very close equity wise on this flop. take into the account the times he'll steal this pot because of his pos with a well timed semibluff, or with a bluff bet on the turn or river when you don't improve, and i like the lead less and less.

whether we like it or not, he's in the driver seat this hand with his range on that flop with his pos, so i let him do the driving from the onset.

Re: AQo bb 2/4
 

don`t like game so far
cap flop
bet turn,call raise
check call river
in your case:bet and call raise

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robin this is most definitely not a wa/wb situation, I refer you to the post I recently linked to in the LC thread

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i said i treat it as a wa/wb, not that it actually is wa/wb. this spot is very tricky as i posted above, hence i play it very defensively from the start as i do wa/wb.

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don`t like game so far
cap flop
bet turn,call raise
check call river
in your case:bet and call raise

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this is the 6-max forum, sir. the heads-up forum is over there.