3-bet.net coaches
 

hey, im looking into getting some midstakes coaching from their site, anyone have a good or bad experience with a specific coach? who do you suggest?

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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wpr101,

Have you considered: no variance? Who are the instructors? Take a look, they are excellent. Krantz himself used to coach me and I've been fortunate to have him. Please continue coaching me at our prior rate, k thanks.

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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everybody is not about making money and coaching has no variance.

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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coaching is a lot easier, it definitely improves your own game coaching and talking about poker, and sometimes ppl just dont want to grind another hour

surely playing poker nets you a higher hourly than posting on 2p2 or eating breakfast or taking a crap

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hey, im looking into getting some midstakes coaching from their site, anyone have a good or bad experience with a specific coach? who do you suggest?

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MDMA.
Hire him.
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"stan, seemed like pretty much everywhere dude, if i went and pointed out your bad advice i'd have to charge you 350/hr sorry gg dude" aejones

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this was the list of coaches (how bout a discount for the sameless plug krnatz)
nation (micros & SSNL, $60/hr) -
Stevo (SSNL & SNG/MTT, $60/hr) -
BalugaWhale (SSNL, $100/hr, MSNL, $150/hr) -
yvesaint (micros, $60/hr, SSNL, $100/hr) -
TheWorstPlayer (MSNL, $150/hr, HSNL, $250/hr) -
DJ Sensei (SSNL, MSNL & HSNL, $200/hr) -
jsnipes28 (SSNL, MSNL & heads-up coaching, $150/hr) -
Chaostracize (SSNL & MSNL, $150/hr) -
xorbie (SSNL & MSNL, $150/hr) -
WiltonTilt (SSNL & MSNL, $200/hr) -
FoxwoodsFiend (elite coach, $350/hr) -
fslexcduck [2007 WSOP HU Final 4, Women's Event Final Table] (elite coach, $350/hr) -
riverboatking [2007 WSOP 10k PLO Final Table] (elite coach, $350/hr) -
MDMA (elite coach, $350/hr) -
traheho (elite coach, heads-up specialist, $350/hr)
KRANTZ (lead coach, $500/hr) -
whitelime [2007 WSOP 5k 6handed 8th place] (elite coach, $1200/hr) -
cts (elite coach, $800/hr) - contact us for contact info
BldSwtTrs (elite coach, $1600/hr) - contact us for contact info.

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lol @ yves coaching..

OK heres what u do, open 12 tables and play AK, AQ and JJ+. Sometimes play lower pairs to hit a set. If u hit a set get money in, otherwise fold.

Saved someone some money...

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lol @ yves coaching..

OK heres what u do, open 12 tables and play AK, AQ and JJ+. Sometimes play lower pairs to hit a set. If u hit a set get money in, otherwise fold.

Saved someone some money...

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i hear this is what yvesaint can teach u :O

Hand #1201012030000404: Amsterdam (6-max) 12030
Seat 2: Starscream ($698.05 in chips)
Seat 3: JOE POKER 71 ($447.40 in chips)
Seat 5: JROCK923 ($520.10 in chips)
Starscream: posts small blind $2
JOE POKER 71: posts big blind $4
Dealt to JOE POKER 71 [ 9s 7s ]
JROCK923: calls $4
Starscream: folds
JOE POKER 71: checks
*** FLOP *** [ 9d As 4s ]
JOE POKER 71: bets $8
JROCK923: raises to $16
JOE POKER 71: raises to $60
JROCK923: calls $44
*** TURN *** [ Jh ]
JOE POKER 71: bets $100
JROCK923: calls $100
*** RIVER *** [ 2d ]
JOE POKER 71: checks
JROCK923: is all in for $356.10
JOE POKER 71: is all in $283.40
JROCK923: returns uncalled bet $72.70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JROCK923: shows [ 6s 3s ] (High Card, Ace)
JOE POKER 71: shows [ 9s 7s ] (Pair of Nines)
JOE POKER 71 wins $895.80 with Pair of Nines

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lol @ yves coaching..

OK heres what u do, open 12 tables and play AK, AQ and JJ+. Sometimes play lower pairs to hit a set. If u hit a set get money in, otherwise fold.

Saved someone some money...

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i hear this is what yvesaint can teach u :O

Hand #1201012030000404: Amsterdam (6-max) 12030
Seat 2: Starscream ($698.05 in chips)
Seat 3: JOE POKER 71 ($447.40 in chips)
Seat 5: JROCK923 ($520.10 in chips)
Starscream: posts small blind $2
JOE POKER 71: posts big blind $4
Dealt to JOE POKER 71 [ 9s 7s ]
JROCK923: calls $4
Starscream: folds
JOE POKER 71: checks
*** FLOP *** [ 9d As 4s ]
JOE POKER 71: bets $8
JROCK923: raises to $16
JOE POKER 71: raises to $60
JROCK923: calls $44
*** TURN *** [ Jh ]
JOE POKER 71: bets $100
JROCK923: calls $100
*** RIVER *** [ 2d ]
JOE POKER 71: checks
JROCK923: is all in for $356.10
JOE POKER 71: is all in $283.40
JROCK923: returns uncalled bet $72.70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JROCK923: shows [ 6s 3s ] (High Card, Ace)
JOE POKER 71: shows [ 9s 7s ] (Pair of Nines)
JOE POKER 71 wins $895.80 with Pair of Nines

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How would we know that yvesaint taught you that?

Idiot

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stan ivey,

You're causing an uproar at 2p2, lol.

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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everybody is not about making money and coaching has no variance.

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I understand that some get enjoyment out of teaching and I've have done coaching before. It just seems like it's probably not worth it for most people to do coaching.

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As much as this is an economic question the utility derived from coaching must be considered. Instructors must feel great taking an ssnl player and shaping him into a msnl shark.

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As much as this is an economic question the utility derived from coaching must be considered. Instructors must feel great taking an ssnl player and shaping him into a msnl shark.

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When I originally posted I thought this guy was just trying to promote his own site or something.

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several years ago there was a poll (in the high stakes limit forum maybe?) asking how much of a reduction in winrate people would be willing to accept in order to entirely eliminate variance. As I recall there were a lot of people in the 50% range.

Combine that with factors like burnout (and related issues such as boredom and mental fatigue during long multitabling sessions) and it's not hard to see why people would be willing to coach for less than what they can make playing.

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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everybody is not about making money and coaching has no variance.

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I understand that some get enjoyment out of teaching and I've have done coaching before. It just seems like it's probably not worth it for most people to do coaching.

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some people just dont want to play 10 hours a day of poker. some people just play 4, and would like to coach in the downtime.

it may be +$ev to play poker 10+ hours a day, but very few people want/can do it.

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I coach a bit. $100/hr

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Coaching is just fun and a change of pace. I'd rather play 20 hours a week of poker than coach 20 hours a week but as part of a mix it's cool. You can't really complain about earning $100/hr either.

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How much do they charge for coaching?

It's hard to believe there are an entire group of players who can beat mid stakes but want to be coaching... because they can make more hourly by playing.

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everybody is not about making money and coaching has no variance.

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I understand that some get enjoyment out of teaching and I've have done coaching before. It just seems like it's probably not worth it for most people to do coaching.

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i dunno, depends what they charge. they're not exactly doing it for chump change.

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i dunno, depends what they charge. they're not exactly doing it for chump change.

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True. Some of the guys on that list, like Baluga and WiltOnTilt, look like really good value. Some of them OTOH... well lol.

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OTOH?

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www.urbandictionary.com

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Or even http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=otoh&am...lient=firefox-a

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on the other hand is what it means
im not gonna be a snob and not tell you. its harder to post the link than it is to just say it.

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I'd say DJ Sens is the best value on that list at $200 an hour.

(I'm unbiased never spoken to the guy)

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on the other hand is what it means
im not gonna be a snob and not tell you. its harder to post the link than it is to just say it.

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The point of posting the link is to encourage him to stop thinking like some naked savage from the twentieth century.

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proves he is already well beyond that

Re: 3-bet.net coaches
 

Where do they list all of the hourly rates on 3-bet.net?

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they send em in an email i guess, at least thats how i got them.

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maybe the reason they email them to you instead of listing them was because they wanted them private? Just a thought ;;

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maybe the reason they email them to you instead of listing them was because they wanted them private? Just a thought ;;

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They are a business that charges for services. I'm not sure how keeping the rates 'private' is a reasonable request, given that obv players want to get the best value for their money???

Mark

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maybe the reason they email them to you instead of listing them was because they wanted them private? Just a thought ;;

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unreasonable. If im a consumer of anything, i have the right to compare and contrast, and encourage competitive pricing. And im sure krantz is prob thrilled that we are even having this discussion.

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how does the website make money? How does the website make money if acemanhattan just posted the ways to contact the coaches with their fee in this thread?

I mean I dunno, maybe krantz doesn't care, but it seems like he specifically didn't list prices or contact on the website for a reason.

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how does the website make money? How does the website make money if acemanhattan just posted the ways to contact the coaches with their fee in this thread?

I mean I dunno, maybe krantz doesn't care, but it seems like he specifically didn't list prices or contact on the website for a reason.

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I'm sure he didn't, but the website makes money off each coach. Its a business, its set up as a business. I understand if the coaches don't want their rates public for whatever reasons, but as consumers of a product, we have a right to know/discuss regardless of what the provider prefers.

Mark

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have players like AJFenix and cero_z been taken off the list? thought they were good poker minds.

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"stan, seemed like pretty much everywhere dude, if i went and pointed out your bad advice i'd have to charge you 350/hr sorry gg dude" aejones

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yea right now i'm looking at charging 300 to 350 an hr, it's hard to charge less than your hourly rate but as long as it's in the 50-75% range of your hourly and variance free, coaching is a good outlet.

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mods sorry if this isn't kosher, but since several people are spamming themselves anyway, i'm going to also. i'm thinking of starting to do a little coaching myself if anyone's interested. i can provide some sample material that i've written for people as proof that i'm good at explaining my thought process well and generally know what i'm talking about. i've also been coached in lhe and/or nlhe for the better part of the last 3 years and coached lhe myself at one point, so i know various methods and know what works and what doesn't.

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how does the website make money? How does the website make money if acemanhattan just posted the ways to contact the coaches with their fee in this thread?

I mean I dunno, maybe krantz doesn't care, but it seems like he specifically didn't list prices or contact on the website for a reason.

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I think all of the coaches are good friends with krantz and wouldnt dick him over like that.

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how does the website make money? How does the website make money if acemanhattan just posted the ways to contact the coaches with their fee in this thread?

I mean I dunno, maybe krantz doesn't care, but it seems like he specifically didn't list prices or contact on the website for a reason.

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I think all of the coaches are good friends with krantz and wouldnt dick him over like that.

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For me, this is the answer. I had more students than I could handle before 3-bet was ever set up. I joined 3-bet because I'm friends with Jay and I thought it was a cool idea, so I was willing to take a bit of a paycut to be part of something fun. So far, it's worked out well, IMO, for Jay, coaches, and students - with some obvious exceptions.

I agree with the assessment that some coaches are better value than others. Also, some coaches will work better for some students than others. But everyone on this list, even yves, is a winning MSNL player who thinks well about the game and can help SSNL/beginning MSNL players become winners, or bigger winners. Feel free to PM me with more specific questions.