25/50 v. Degenamyine
 

Dude has put several horrendous beats on me by this point, (KJ v KQ hits J on river, allin JJ on a K-high flop and backdoors flush) maybe knows that Im steaming, I have no history with him but it sure looks like he sucks.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $11538.50
UTG+1: $2482.90
CO: $4748.50
Button: $13984.80
the_dal_kid: $5572
BB: $10066.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) the_dal_kid is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $100</font>, the_dal_kid calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($250, 2 players)
the_dal_kid checks, Button checks.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($250, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">the_dal_kid bets $235</font>, Button calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($720, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">the_dal_kid bets $700</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $2550</font>, the_dal_kid ??????????

Anyways, please disregard the horrible preflop call (tilt)... thoughts?

Re: 25/50 v. Degenamyine
 

Looks okay, I'd call.

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shove

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shove

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uhh no

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I can't really see much that we're losing to except JJ

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I can't really see much that we're losing to except JJ

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44, 9x

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I can't really see much that we're losing to except JJ

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44, 9x

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I really think a 9 would raise the turn given how drawy the board just got. But the highest I've ever played is 5/10 so I don't really know how these games go.

Re: 25/50 v. Degenamyine
 

lol

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anything besides calling is really silly.

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shove

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closer to a fold than a push i think

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shove

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closer to a fold than a push i think

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def, shoving is bad i think. DB is a spewing monkey, but no chance is he calling a river 3 bet with less than a 9.

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DB is a spewing monkey




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Q F T

I actually think he two-outered you tbh!

Re: 25/50 v. Degenamyine
 

THE

DAL

KID

this is a tough one you should fold since you probably lost it!

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shove

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closer to a fold than a push i think

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Am I crazy for not even liking a call here? Really feels like David either rivered or turned a boat or maybe has A9 or something.

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closer to a fold than a push i think

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Am I crazy for not even liking a call here? Really feels like David either rivered or turned a boat or maybe has A9 or something.

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its close, but ill defer judgement to those who have played w/ benyamine.

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I've played v. David some and would muck this.

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mongoloid has 44 every time

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from what i've heard benyamine rarely bluffs... i think this is a close fold. calling is obv 2nd option followed by the horrible push

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ya i guess after further thought a shove is a little much.

dean could you elaborate a little more on why you advocate a fold?

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i think it's a fold.

i actually think i like checking this river - noone else?

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lapoker - checking this river v. Benyamine is good if u hate money.

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so he calls river with lots of ace high hands that he never bets if we check to him and he checks all jacks and overpairs on the flop a lot, but does not bet the river with them? just seems like he has to have 77 88 TT here a lot for betting to be right - maybe that's his range.

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so he calls river with lots of ace high hands that he never bets if we check to him and he checks all jacks and overpairs on the flop a lot, but does not bet the river with them?

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i think dean puts benyamine on Ax, 33, 55-88, TT hands a lot more than jacks/overpairs, basically hands that have sd value but he wont bet on the river

though he can def have some sort of busted draw, hearts/straight, but id assume hed bet straight draws on the flop, and it seems he doesnt bluff often enough w/missed draws to make a check on the river work

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i edited as you were writing - i didnt fail to consider that stuff.

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river is an easy bet and I'd fold to the raise vs David

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i would fold.

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I'd bet a little smaller on the river. As played I'd fold.

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its a fold. you beat nothing but a bluff.

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also preflop blows of course

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I bet pot on the river because 1) it might look like a desperate bluff which, if he wants to bluff, he will have to put a lot more money in and 2) if I bet any less (like say 400) it might look like a blocking bet from a J and thus will make a river raise a really, really tough decision (since I showed weakness).

Anyways, after thinking for a long time I FOLDED since he's put so many bad beats on me (thus thinking I would call him with anything reasonable here) AND plus he's playing much, much lower than usual (thus, he probably thinks we all suck and will call with a lot of decent hands in this spot).

Looking back on it, it looks like the thread agrees that the only thing I beat is a bluff (or a retarded 96 raising for value) and that it is agreed that Benyamine doesn't bluff all that often on the river so whatever.

Maybe I'll meet him one day and he'll tell me what he had.

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I think it's pretty close too but I'd lean towards a fold! I don't know how Benya. plays tho, so that could change things alot...
If he's betting the flop with a 9x 100% of the time you got to call, but if he checks back then fold is better

Re: 25/50 v. Degenamyine
 

pretty sure its a fold

cole-
if you bet less on the river, is it still a fold?

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haha yea sure seems like it. id still call hoping hes being weird.

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I suck but i think calling &gt; shoving &gt; folding. i think the reason i think shoving &gt; folding is because of stack sizes.