Common turn spot w/ AA
 

Villain is 22/13/1.6 over 1.5k hands

Is shovinghere standard? or is it c/c. I shoved cause his aggression factor was so low that I thought he might check a decent amt of hands on the turn that might call all in

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($502.30)
BB ($150.15)
UTG ($110.60)
MP ($404.60)
CO ($400)
Button ($423.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $55</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $41.

Flop: ($114) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $85</font>, MP calls $85.

Turn: ($284) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $362.3 (All-In)</font>,

Re: Common turn spot w/ AA
 

yeah that seems fine. pretty standard imo. if he has a set thats ul cant see him having 2 pair.

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you have other options.

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Easiest push ever.

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Easiest push ever.

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... It's not like pushing is -ev but is it the most +EV is what he is getting at.

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is something -EV if its not the most +EV? (serious question btw)

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is something -EV if its not the most +EV? (serious question btw)

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No [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you have other options.

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With these stack sizes what other options do I have besides shoving, or check calling a shove? I believe the pot is like 280, and he has like 250 left in his stack or something like that.

Btw Im never considering folding this on this board, but I just was clueless of the optimal way to play this against a passive opponent

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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Ok but what is the point of this. Sorry Im really confused.
Is it to make sure he comes along with AK?

Re: Common turn spot w/ AA
 

This is fine, against a passive opponent.

If he's a LAG reg I guess its optimal to go for the check/shove.

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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Ok but what is the point of this. Sorry Im really confused.
Is it to make sure he comes along with the widest range possible/ incorrectly

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yes people play so bad when you anger them with your bet size, nobody does this though, and you obv played your hand fine.

Re: Common turn spot w/ AA
 

Shoving&gt; Check/calling, but I can be convinced that something like betting 99.99 and calling a push can be optimal.

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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he has less than a psb left. i'd shove for sure.

i've been clamoring for a converter that showed how much people had left (or at least the effective size of a shove) but nobody's made one that i know of [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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he has less than a psb left. i'd shove for sure.

i've been clamoring for a converter that showed how much people had left (or at least the effective size of a shove) but nobody's made one that i know of [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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or ppl can use subtraction

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Wouldn't it be much easier to play the turn if we bet more on the flop?

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I guess I'm bad at math, I though you were a little deeper, I'd still bet like 45% of what villian has left though.

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he has less than a psb left. i'd shove for sure.

i've been clamoring for a converter that showed how much people had left (or at least the effective size of a shove) but nobody's made one that i know of [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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or ppl can use subtraction

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obv they could but you see a decent number of posts where it looks like people did not do the subtraction right. i'd also rather just see it in front of me than have to do the math.

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Wouldn't it be much easier to play the turn if we bet more on the flop?

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How so? I think that making a turn bet so as to set up the river so a shove is about 90% of his remaining stack is optimal.

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Wouldn't it be much easier to play the turn if we bet more on the flop?

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How so? I think that making a turn bet so as to set up the river so a shove is about 90% of his remaining stack is optimal.

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I am not sure what you are saying.

My reasoning bet something like $100 on the flop to charge possible straight or flush draws.
Now the pot on the turn is $314 and villain has $250 left as opposed to the pot here being $284 with $275. Villain might be more inclined to call in the former scenario than in the latter which means it is more likely that a push will be called by a hand we beat instead of only sets and two pair.

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You make a good point. However b/c of this villains stats, I highly doubted that he would hava draw or two pair on this board. Basically I put his range for calling my 3 bet preflop as AQ+,99+. SO since I have the ace of spades he cant have a flush draw. ANd If I bet 100 on the flop he probably folds QQ and JJ, while If I bet a smaller amount I might get a flop call. SO basically it is a situation where I know either he is down to two outs or I am down to two outs.

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i'd do 185 on the turn but it doesn't really matter